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"Cults" -vs- Accepted Religions

 
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:22 am    Post subject: "Cults" -vs- Accepted Religions Reply with quote

What makes a "Cult" a cult? What are the differences between a cult and say... Catholicism?
With the exception of differences in beliefs. Thats it, nothing!

A member of a cult believes in something. A member of Catholicism believes in something too.
A cult worships something or someone, as does a catholic.

So, why in the eyes of society is the word "Cult" evil?
ALL religions are a "cult."

You'll hear on the news about a murder and sometimes the news anchors will say "It is believed that this murder is the works of a cult member." Or something similar to that...
Now, I don't promote murder, but why are they saying its the work of a cult?

When the issue of Catholic Priests molesting children came up, why didn't they say, Its the works of the Catholic Church, instead of blaming the individual priest?

Because, Catholicism is a recognized religion. Whereas, these "cults" are not. But it is nevertheless, a religion.
And its easier to blame a religion that is not accepted world-wide as the evil-doer.

How do they know "it was the works of a cult?" It could have been a single person who murdered someone, just like it was a bunch of single priests that molested the children.

Truthfully, I believe it all comes down to politics. These highly recognized religions all have something to do with politics, and therefore cannot be 'dissed' as easily without creating a major media disruption.
As everyone has seen, I'm sure. The big issue about this woman being put into the senate, Harriet Miers. I do not recall the religion she is, it sure was a huge issue. Although religion is supposed to have nothing to do with laws etc... It actually does as she is an example of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here ya go.. Check this out...

The Advanced Bonewits’ Cult Danger Evaluation Frame
(version 2.6)


Factors: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

Low High

1 Internal Control: Amount of internal political and social power exercised by leader(s) over members; lack of clearly defined organizational rights for members. 1 _________________________

2 External Control: Amount of external political and social influence desired or obtained; emphasis on directing members’ external political and social behavior. 2 _________________________

3 Wisdom/Knowledge Claimed by leader(s); amount of infallibility declared or implied about decisions or doctrinal/scriptural interpretations; number and degree of unverified and/or unverifiable credentials claimed. 3 _________________________

4 Wisdom/Knowledge Credited to leader(s) by members; amount of trust in decisions or doctrinal/scriptural interpretations made by leader(s); amount of hostility by members towards internal or external critics and/or towards verification efforts. 4 _________________________

5 Dogma: Rigidity of reality concepts taught; amount of doctrinal inflexibility or “fundamentalism;” hostility towards relativism and situationalism. 5 _________________________

6 Recruiting: Emphasis put on attracting new members; amount of proselytizing; requirement for all members to bring in new ones. 6 _________________________

7 Front Groups: Number of subsidiary groups using different names from that of main group, especially when connections are hidden. 7 _________________________

8 Wealth: Amount of money and/or property desired or obtained by group; emphasis on members’ donations; economic lifestyle of leader(s) compared to ordinary members. 8 _________________________

9 Sexual Manipulation of members by leader(s) of non-tantric groups; amount of control exercised over sexuality of members in terms of sexual orientation, behavior, and/or choice of partners. 9 _________________________

10 Sexual Favoritism: Advancement or preferential treatment dependent upon sexual activity with the leader(s) of non-tantric groups. 10 _________________________

11 Censorship: Amount of control over members’ access to outside opinions on group, its doctrines or leader(s). 11 _________________________

12 Isolation: Amount of effort to keep members from communicating with non-members, including family, friends and lovers. 12 _________________________

13 Dropout Control: Intensity of efforts directed at preventing or returning dropouts. 13 _________________________

14 Violence: Amount of approval when used by or for the group, its doctrines or leader(s). 14 _________________________

15 Paranoia: Amount of fear concerning real or imagined enemies; exaggeration of perceived power of opponents; prevalence of conspiracy theories. 15 _________________________

16 Grimness: Amount of disapproval concerning jokes about the group, its doctrines or its leader(s). 16 _________________________

17 Surrender of Will: Amount of emphasis on members not having to be responsible for personal decisions; degree of individual disempowerment created by the group, its doctrines or its leader(s). 17 _________________________

18 Hypocrisy: amount of approval for actions which the group officially considers immoral or unethical, when done by or for the group, its doctrines or leader(s); willingness to violate the group’s declared principles for political, psychological, social, economic, military, or other gain. 18 _________________________

A German translation of the 2.0 version of this is available at: Isaac Bonewits’ Sektengefahr Checkliste.

A French translation of the 2.6 version is available at: Grille avancée de Bonewits pour l'évaluation du danger potentiel d'une secte.

An Italian translation of the 2.6 version is available at: Documento Avanzato di Isaac Bonewits per la Valutazione del Pericolo del Culto.

A Polish translation of the 2.6 version is available at: Zaawansowany Kwestionariusz Bonewitsa Oceniajacy Niebezpieczenstwo Sekty

A Portuguese translation of the 2.6 version is available at: A Ferramenta Avançada de Bonewits para Avaliação de Seitas.

Other translations will be posted as they are done.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:54 pm    Post subject: More Info... Reply with quote

The purpose of this evaluation tool is to help both amateur and professional observers, including current or would-be members, of various organizations (including religious, occult, psychological or political groups) to determine just how dangerous a given group is liable to be, in comparison with other groups, to the physical and mental health of its members and of other people subject to its influence. It cannot speak to the “spiritual dangers,” if any, that might be involved, for the simple reason that one person’s path to enlightenment or “salvation” is often viewed by another as a path to ignorance or “damnation.”

As a general rule, the higher the numerical total scored by a given group (the further to the right of the scale), the more dangerous it is likely to be. Though it is obvious that many of the scales in the frame are subjective, it is still possible to make practical judgments using it, at least of the “is this group more dangerous than that one?” sort. This is if all numerical assignments are based on accurate and unbiased observation of actual behavior by the groups and their top levels of leadership (as distinct from official pronouncements). This means that you need to pay attention to what the secondary and tertiary leaders are saying and doing, as much (or more so) than the central leadership — after all, “plausible deniability” is not a recent historical invention.

This tool can be used by parents, reporters, law enforcement agents, social scientists and others interested in evaluating the actual dangers presented by a given group or movement. Obviously, different observers will achieve differing degrees of precision, depending upon the sophistication of their numerical assignments on each scale. However, if the same observers use the same methods of scoring and weighting each scale, their comparisons of relative danger or harmlessness between groups will be reasonably valid, at least for their own purposes. People who cannot, on the other hand, view competing belief systems as ever having possible spiritual value to anyone, will find the ABCDEF annoyingly useless for promoting their theological agendas. Worse, these members of the Religious Reich and their fellow theocrats will find that their own organizations (and quite a few large mainstream churches) are far more “cult-like” than many of the minority belief systems they so bitterly oppose.

It should be pointed out that the ABCDEF is founded upon both modern psychological theories about mental health and personal growth, and my many years of participant observation and historical research into minority belief systems. Those who believe that relativism and anarchy are as dangerous to mental health as absolutism and authoritarianism, could (I suppose) count groups with total scores nearing either extreme (high or low) as being equally hazardous. As far as dangers to physical well-being are concerned, however, both historical records and current events clearly indicate the direction in which the greatest threats lie. This is especially so since the low-scoring groups usually seem to have survival and growth rates so small that they seldom develop the abilities to commit large scale atrocities even had they the philosophical or political inclinations to do so.

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