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« on: February 05, 2009, 08:30:01 pm »

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On: January 28, 2008, 12:26:31 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=510762&in_page_id=1770

Could there be proof to the theory that we're ALL psychic?
By DANNY PENMAN
Last updated at 07:38am on 28th January 2008


Psychic proof

'Up to 85 per cent of people may be clairvoyant' says a researcher
Dr Chris Roe places a pair of enormous fluffy earphones over the head of a blonde 20-year-old woman.

He carefully slices a ping-pong ball in half and tapes each piece over her eyes.

Then he switches on a red light that bathes the woman in an eerie glow, and leaves the room.

After a few moments, a low hum begins to fill the laboratory and the woman begins smiling sweetly to herself as images of distant locations start to pass through her mind.

She says she can sense a group of trees and a babbling brook full of boulders.

Standing on a boulder is her friend Jack. He's waving at her and smiling. She begins to describe the location to Dr Roe.

Half a mile away, her friend Jack is, indeed, standing on a boulder in a stream.

Somehow, the woman has been able to "see" Jack in her mind's eye, even though all of conventional science - and common sense - says it is impossible.

Is this simply a bizarre coincidence?

Or could it be proof that we all possess psychic powers of the type popularised in such films as Minority Report?

That is what Dr Roe is investigating. A parapsychologist based at the University of Northampton, he is examining whether it could indeed be possible to project your "mind's eye" to a distant location and observe what is going on - even if that place is hundreds of miles away.

And though the research is not yet complete, the results have been tantalising.

His early findings suggest that up to 85 per cent of people may possess some form of clairvoyance - the ability to "remote view".

And he believes that with only a modicum of training we can all sharpen our psychic skills.

"Our results are significant," says Dr Roe.

"They suggest that remote viewing, or clairvoyance, is something that should be taken seriously."

It would be easy to dismiss such claims as laughable, were it not for the fact that an increasing number of scientists are taking them seriously.

While Dr Roe's work may appear controversial, he is starting to garner the support of eminent academics such as Professor Brian Josephson, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist from Cambridge University, who says: "The experiments have been designed to rule out luck and chance. I consider the evidence for remote viewing to be pretty clear-cut."

The military is also taking a keen interest. The Ministry of Defence takes the phenomena seriously enough to have commissioned its own research.

Documents only recently released under the Freedom of Information Act detail a series of experiments on psychic phenomena.

Unfortunately, the actual details of the experiments that were carried out - and what the conclusions were - are still classified, and intriguingly the MoD refuses to say whether they were a success.

They claim that releasing such details would imperil the defence of the nation, and what little information has been released is described as "poor quality" by Dr Roe.

"Their analysis of the data is quite frankly, woeful," he says.

But the very existence of such files suggests that the military are taking the possibility of psychic phenomena seriously.

In fact, most existing scientific knowledge on clairvoyance is based on other recently declassified military research undertaken in America during the Cold War.

During the Sixties and Seventies, paranoia gripped the US military establishment.

Strange rumours began circulating that the Russians had found a way of harnessing psychic powers and begun wielding them as weapons.

Psychic skills such as telekinesis - the ability to move objects or control machines using nothing more than the power of the mind - were apparently being taught to soldiers in elite combat units.

They were also said to be using clairvoyants to gather intelligence from top-secret American bases.

If true, the American's believed, it would mean that the Russians could discover their most important secrets and even control the minds of their Generals.

So in the early Seventies, the US military began its own top-secret research to try to close the "psychic intelligence gap" with the Russians.

The CIA later joined them in a series of covert research projects that were given suitably innocuous titles such as Sun Streak, Grill Flame and Star Gate.

These were designed to track down the most gifted psychics in the U.S., unravel the mysteries of their powers and then find ways of teaching these skills to ordinary soldiers and agents.

The aim was to produce a new breed of "super-soldier" capable of controlling matter with their minds and gathering intelligence from afar.

But some in the military wanted to go even further.

The US Navy wanted to send confidential orders to their nuclear submarines using telepathy, which would be impossible for even the most sophisticated enemy listening devices to intercept.

And Major General Albert N. Stubblebine III, commanding officer of the US Army Intelligence and Security Command, suggested that one day soldiers might even be able to "walk through walls", using psychic powers to overcome the physical boundary.

And if that wasn't enough, researchers at Princeton University (where Einstein was once based) and Stanford were similarly tasked with investigating the paranormal.

Scientists at Stanford quickly focused on the use of clairvoyance, known as remote viewing in technical parlance, as the most militarily useful psychic skill.

Very soon, Stanford played host to more than a dozen psychic spies, whose paranormal skills were once demonstrated to President Jimmy Carter.

The remote viewers used a deceptively simple method based on what is known as the Ganzfeld technique to help "see" deep into enemy territory.

They induced an altered state of consciousness by seating themselves in a sound-proof room and wearing earphones playing white noise.

Pingpong balls sliced in half were placed over their eyes to obscure vision. The whole room was then bathed in soft red light.

The map coordinates of the "target" location would be written on a piece of paper, placed in an envelope and handed to the viewer.

He would be allowed to touch the envelope but forbidden to open it. Alternatively, pictures of the target location would be sealed in the envelope.

The remote viewers would then slip into a light meditative trance and their "mind's eye" would be drawn to the target location.

Pictures, feelings and impressions would then drift into their minds from the target, which might be located thousands of miles away.

To an outsider, this approach might appear to produce only hopelessly vague results that were no better than guesswork.

But the scientists investigating remote viewing found them to be surprisingly accurate, giving military intelligence a small but significant advantage over their cold war enemies.

Joe McMoneagle was one such "psychic spy". Given the codename "Remote Viewer No 1", his primary role was to use remote viewing to look inside Russian military bases and gather intelligence.

McMoneagle was recruited from US Army intelligence in Vietnam because of his amazing ability to survive while on reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines against seemingly impossible odds.

His commanding officers thought he was either amazingly lucky, psychic - or a double agent.

On his return home, he was tested for his remote-viewing skills at Stanford and found to have psychic gifts.

He went on to spend the next 20 years tracking Russian nuclear warheads and gathering intelligence.

His work eventually earned him the Legion of Merit, America's highest military non-combat medal.

"My success rate was around 28 per cent," says McMoneagle.

"That may not sound very good, but we were brought in to deal with the hopeless cases.

"Our information was then cross-checked with any other available intelligence to build up an overall picture. We proved to be quite useful 'spies'."

Word of America's experiments with the paranormal spread to the UK and while the military were sceptical, the Metropolitan Police spotted an intriguing possibility.

Could psychic powers be harnessed to help solve crimes?

They soon had their answer when a woman named Nella Jones came to their attention, claiming that she could help locate a priceless Vermeer painting, called The Guitar Player, that had been stolen from Kenwood House in North London in 1974.

Nella told the police that she had been ironing some clothes and idly watching the television when her mind suddenly focused on the whereabouts of the painting.

She hurriedly sketched it out and took it to the police, who were understandably sceptical.

But having nothing else to go on they followed the lead. The painting was eventually recovered from St Bartholomew's churchyard as a result of the information she gave them.

Again, it would be easy to dismiss Nella's guidance to the police as just blind luck.

Easy, that is, if she hadn't spent the following 20 years helping them ensnare murderers and other serious offenders.

"Nella gave invaluable assistance on a number of murders," says Detective Chief Inspector Arnie Cooke. "Her evidence was not the type you can put before a jury. But senior investigating officers have got to take people like her on board and accept what they are saying."

In fact, so useful was Nella to Scotland Yard that in 1993 they publicly thanked her and senior officers hosted a dinner in her honour.

Scotland Yard later wrote to her, saying: "Some police officers may have seemed sceptical of your abilities ... but it is a mark of those abilities that police turn to you time and time again."

Such anecdotes are all very well but there is statistical evidence, too, that proves that psychic skills are a useful tool for law enforcement agencies and the military.

In 1995, the US Congress asked two independent scientists to assess whether the $20 million that the government had spent on psychic research had produced anything of value. And the conclusions proved to be somewhat unexpected.

Professor Jessica Utts, a statistician from the University of California, discovered that remote viewers were correct 34 per cent of the time, a figure way beyond what chance guessing would allow.

She says: "Using the standards applied to any other area of science, you have to conclude that certain psychic phenomena, such as remote viewing, have been well established.

"The results are not due to chance or flaws in the experiments."

Of course, this doesn't wash with sceptical scientists.

Professor Richard Wiseman, a psychologist at the University of Hertfordshire, refuses to believe in remote viewing.

He says: "I agree that by the standards of any other area of science that remote viewing is proven, but begs the question: do we need higher standards of evidence when we study the paranormal? I think we do.

"If I said that there is a red car outside my house, you would probably believe me.

"But if I said that a UFO had just landed, you'd probably want a lot more evidence.

"Because remote viewing is such an outlandish claim that will revolutionise the world, we need overwhelming evidence before we draw any conclusions. Right now we don't have that evidence."

Back at the University of Northampton, Dr Chris Roe hopes he can provide such proof one way or the other.

Next month, he will embark on a series of experiments that will be more rigorous than any so far attempted.

They will rule out fluke positive results and any unconscious biases held by anyone involved with the experiments.

And if that wasn't enough, he then plans to embark on research into an even more outlandish field: whether it is possible to remote view through time.

In other words, he will investigate whether it is possible for remote viewers not only to observe distant locations, but also to see what will happen at that place at a predetermined time in the future.

"Time does not seem to be a barrier to remote viewing," says Dr Roe, matter of factly.

Certainly, only time will tell whether he has been cruelly deluded, or has glimpsed a very intriguing future.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2009, 08:31:13 pm »

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He says: "I agree that by the standards of any other area of science that remote viewing is proven, but begs the question: do we need higher standards of evidence when we study the paranormal? I think we do.

In fact, every time they prove it, we better up the standards, 'cause you sure can't have folks believing in that stuff!  *giggle*
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 02:54:29 am »

hmmm?  we aren't psychic?  geeez....
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2009, 09:59:52 am »

Everyone is psychic in their own way.  Guessing what someone will say next, knowing who is on the phone before you answer it, feeling someone come up behind you or feeling someone watching you.  My whole family can tell who is on the phone as soon as it rings.  We don't have caller ID, we just know.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2009, 12:31:54 pm »

i usaually know whos calling even without my call id but for some reason when telemarketers call i think it's my Fiance but im alwasys wrong any guesses as to y this happens
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« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2009, 04:45:52 pm »

Do you enjoy talking to your Fiance on the phone?  Becuase, especially with me, I dont like to talk on the phone anyway, but some people i REALLY dont like to talk on the phone with, so ill get similar signals when the phone rings, so maybe its that kind of thing.  If not, then I'm not entirely sure.
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2009, 09:00:59 pm »

umm...maybe, but yeah i do enjoy talking to her on the phone but only because i can't see her ever in person due to certain circumstances, but other than that i don't know.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2009, 01:58:56 pm »

      hey bring on the research,who knows they might come up with something that changes the mind of the so many sceptics out
there. 
        I know what i can do and what the many so called normal people can do, especially when one puts their mind to it ,that i have come across.  It seems a lot of people are psychic but then have never questioned the feelings or visions they have had.

             They believe they have something that either all people have or it is not something that you talk about.   Though when the ice is broken and there is a discussion in a relaxed environment the truth comes out. 

           We need people to speak up about these things.There is nothing to be ashamed of,when we all come together and talk we find we all have abilities that have never really been 'proved' or accepted in society. Strange when so many of us have sixth senses.  We still look for that proof,maybe we do need police officers to be psychic to bring about a change in society.
         
 People want that social acceptance before they jump on the bandwagon,they just don't want to be the first to step forward.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2009, 09:07:02 am »

exactaly, i agree with you on this Captian. People need to stop pushing these things off like they never happened but there to scared to tell anyone for they actually care what people think about them thier "image" persay if you can say these people actually have one to care for.
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2009, 09:34:27 am »

I think it's a good thing not too many people step forward--if you are then you tend to find people along that alignment/path/what have you, and I feel like if this was said to be a common-place thing, people might start discriminating against people who weren't, which would possibly lead to people just making things up.... and when people are found to be making things up, it discredits the ENTIRE thing, not just them.

I like how things are in our world right now.
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« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2009, 11:11:18 am »

you make a well preseneted point on the issue and to be honoest i haven't thought of it enough to even come to your conclusion.
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« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2009, 01:50:20 pm »

Thank you. Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2009, 02:03:09 pm »

your welcome Grin
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2010, 03:48:17 am »

Good point ~Beloved~, this goes for all sub-cultures.  Especially this of ours (vampires).
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« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2010, 04:30:51 am »

Though I do see where all of you are coming from being proud and not wanting to see ones own kind or sub culture in a bad light, and I can get that but, I personally enjoy to an extent when people make incredible things up that make certain circles of my life and company on the scale of a whole look not so good or appear as the reality isint the truth, because then, and taken to the extreme everyone is looking for the fake while I, the reality,  hide in plain sight. The greatest trick the devil ever did was to convince the world that he didnt exist.
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