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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2011, 02:25:07 pm »

Its only ironic if you bought into the concept that angelic equates to an benefactor.  But I get what you are saying,  being our culture is dominated by the roman catholic pantheon scheme.

For the record, its has been my experience that very few of the angelic vibration really would care one way or the other, and those that do have that level of free will to have an opinion tend to be somewhat mixed.  Damn straight, however, that there are some who look for any way to bend the rules to cause harm.  I wouldnt say all, but yes they are out there.

I think, that is why there may be so many different vibrations 'tapped' for the guardian role.  It may be more of a matter of universal stability opposed to universal order.  Balance and shades of gray.

Mmmm... interesting finding common ground with you.  Figured it had to happen, eventually.  I am pleased.
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2011, 05:09:15 pm »

I think I would be the outlier in that assesment though. Im lapsed wiccan, for all its worth, and I dont really serve any "heirarchal" or "diety" system. I tend to follow my morals over anything.
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2011, 05:11:55 pm »

PS- Also, while Guardians most identify with angelics perhaps, and there are angelics who are guardians, out of the 5 guardians I know on a friendly basis, 3 are vampires, 1 is nothing except a guardian, and one i dont know if hes anything or not. From my experience, being a guardian seems to occur in the same way vampires can also be kin.
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2011, 05:30:34 pm »

I view a demonic/demon as RK does. Not a "fallen" anything nor the opposite of an angelic. I just am what I am and who I am and answer to no being. I dance to the beat of my own drummer and to hells with what others think or feel. I have free will and use it as I see fit. Not that I am evil or a fallen something or another. I have my set standards and morals that are my own. Even when I worked for a paramilitary police department, they knew I knew my job and would do right by the victims I was there to help...so instead of throwing any sort of rank at me or pulling rank one me or forcing me to follow the hiarchy, they just let me be and were totally hands off as far as I was concerned. I was the only one working for the city with purple hair and piercings and they dared not say a word where as they would strictly enforce appearance rules on everyone else and expect them to call their superiors by their rank. Where as I would wave at the chief and say "Hey...wassup Luther?" without anything being said to me. I do not do hierchy what so ever. Human or otherwise.  Not sure how else to explain it....I have had a very long and rough week so the brain is a bit fried.
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2011, 12:01:52 am »

I am much the same way when it comes to using my free will and refusing to acknowledge or answer to any system of hierarchy. I view myself as equal to everyone else, not below or above anyone. I also do what I can for people when I can, because I truly do believe that compassion is one of the strongest forces there is, and it's in my nature to be compassionate.

I wouldn't consider myself a guardian though. I tend to equate the term guardian with someone who protects a an individual or a group of people, rather than one who offers assistance.
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2011, 08:26:02 am »

Matt, seems the point where guardian not being tied to angelic was lost.  But yes, guardian seems to be a role, not an identity like vampirism tends to be a method for a lot of kin.  It's not what you are but what you do.  (granted, I can see the potential for a guardian construct to evolve sentience over time... people tend to not program them with an end date, allowing them to carry on long after their Target has crumbled to time).  Guardian is however a very broad and attractive word and I see many who use it without actual being.

Nadia, as with koon, we are more or less in agreement.  Though I will grin a bit and ask if being bound to duty is any less of a hierarchical bond? 
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« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2011, 08:45:40 am »

No I did not think of it as being bound to duty or I would have gone even crazier LOL. Honestly, it was a way for me to use my knowledge and skills to help others. That is how I viewed it. I was able to help in a much better way and more hands on. I could give the dead a voice and find some form of justice for them, I could take those who were hurt and scared under my wings and help them in any way possible. I did have someone ask how it was to be married to a job or bound by the job and I just grinned and asked since when? At any time -snaps fingers- I can be gone. Just like that I can lay the badge down and walk away. Which I did when I began being used more for PR work than what I had taken the job to do. I was not there to make the mayor happy or pander to the council members and become their personal photographer or what have you. I was there to help people in need. So when I became a PR tool for the mayor and council members, I handed my badge over and walked away. -shrugs- Which I told them I would do if they did not stop requesting me personally and leave me alone to do what I was there to do. They had decided they liked me and liked having me around and would not stop interfering with my real job.
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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2011, 01:49:21 am »

Now I see, Nadia & Coon, why I like you guys so much.  You make SENSE.  Don't think I'm guardian, but am able to absorb the pain of others & turn it into a form of energy that's useful for me.  Sometimes that makes the person fall asleep, but they don't seem to mind.  They're always in a safe place to nap & I have the energy to watch over them.  Perhaps Watcher or Observer fits me better?
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2011, 01:13:28 pm »

ACtually thats another ironic bit - angelics would generally be quite pleased if this world was wiped out on the whim of thier leader,

Funny. This was  the plot of 'Legion'. 
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« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2011, 08:55:33 pm »

Still havent watched that, been wanting to though.
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2011, 10:45:59 pm »

Really good Movie Rk. I mean list the plauges as well.

But as for the subject of Guardian, I am not what yall are listing, but I can be considered a Lycan Guardian.
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« Reply #26 on: February 28, 2011, 01:51:17 am »

PS- Also, while Guardians most identify with angelics perhaps, and there are angelics who are guardians, out of the 5 guardians I know on a friendly basis, 3 are vampires, 1 is nothing except a guardian, and one i dont know if hes anything or not. From my experience, being a guardian seems to occur in the same way vampires can also be kin.

Being a Guardain is more who you are than what you are. It is not a kin-type. Not all Guardians have wings. Not that many identify with angels. Most are not vampires. There is no awakening. *facepalms* And I know this from experience. Nadia's got it pretty much right.
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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 02:58:43 am »

What about guardian as a mentality instead of a state of being? A "hero complex" if you will. One might look at it that way as well in order to help cover all the bases.
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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2011, 11:19:30 am »

I can tell you only what I have channeled, though I do not know which information is true and which is false, which is valid and which is simply my imagination. There is a group of people, human beings, on this planet, that exist in various sects, and in different modes of expression, who are either awakened psi's or magickal users, both inside the lodges and outside the lodges, individual and in groups, who continually try to keep the balance of magickal order. I say order in the sense that these groups are aware of portals and other energy centers, that could allow certain energies into our world and cause severe conflict in the magickal realm. The problem, especially now that there are so many books on magick, is that if someone does the right invocation or evocation, at the right time, but for all the wrong reasons, they could allow very negative energies into the world that could effect all of us spiritually. The guardians that exist in this realm operate on the earthly plane, but there are some guardians who have advanced to the point that they can completely leave their body, and so travel and communicate with the guardians that exist in the astral realm. These guardians that exist in the astral realm operate also on the same principle, making sure that certain doors do not get opened, and a certain level of order and balance is maintained.

They do not allow just anyone to become a guardian and it is a serious oath, as it means a life of in many ways of complete selflessness, and morality, as there are certain magickal acts that are forbidden. The other issue is that the Order, if you want to call it an Order, is extremely secretive. In fact, what I am telling you now is not common knowledge, most people do not even realize that these people are actively doing this, and even if they did realize they were doing it, they would just chalk it up as a religion or cult doing meaningless rituals and having secret societies for no reason.

I understand their basic reasoning for what they do, but they kind of annoy me as they act like the astral police, and are constantly monitoring all magickal action. They could give people a break now and then, and allow people to have a little more freedom in what they do, but their intentions are mainly good. I think generally they put up with a lot more than I probably would given the same situations.

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2011, 11:40:14 am »

There seems to be a good debate about defining demonic and angelic.  I think thats great.  Time is ever moving and words should represent an ever expanding enviroment.  I would like to hear more from those that have posted on this thread about what they think and feel is a guardian.  I do agree that a deamon can be a guardian.
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