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« on: April 05, 2010, 03:41:08 PM »

Last months showed that going "out of coffin" as most of you describe this, is not actually a good way of venting our feelings in our lonely little worlds, especially with existence of "JS", who, in his last video (mainly that feeding Audrianna part), convinced me, that he is an absolute idiot.
The online vampire community has been "founded" 12 years ago and when I first heard about it (3 years ago approximately), I was happy that I could get some help to improve my miserable existence. Understand that it was not a coincidence. I have had dreams about what I am (guess that I even thought I have the elven soul which was actually strange, because I've been always a fan of math and science) and this little world long before I had found that there are more people like me, who also need this help and are happy to share their experience and they are even in the internet.
After my relief I was shocked what I saw then. I thought I could believe some people, but my googling skills told me that this is not good for me. After all those articles in american newspaper, videos on YouTube, conflicts, intrigues etc, I am actually disgusted and I feel ashamed for what I am. Why do we need the publicity, if it only brings the trouble and morons like "JS". Tell me, why some of you, vampires, need to show yourselves in front of camera in situations like feeding of energy? This is like making porno or worse, you give up your intimacy and your greatest life secret to the entertainment industry like whores offering sex, not for pleasure, but for money. Why do we need to bring this to mainstream?

What is special about being a vampire?

And what is Black Veil? Why are there four versions of all that? Is not one version enough, or you just change it, whenever you like and give it a liking name to bring people to obey it?

Yes, people are now more convinced about your existence, but that's all. I just hope that you don't want to end up like an animal in ZOO's expositions, due to our fragile physical and mental health. I just think that we cannot afford going "out of coffin".

I am sorry for my english, but anyway I hope that somebody is going to explain me a purpose of all this.
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2010, 06:52:29 PM »

I will see what I can do to help with some of your questions. First though, the online vampire community came about more than 12 years ago, just in a very disorganized state; yes it was worse than now. Also there was vampire communities in various places before that. I was a part of one locally and in person before my adventures in modern medicine.
I'll try and take what you put one at a time, but some do over lap.
Why do we need to bring this (feeding by context) to mainstream?

We don't. I really wish that people would quite that too. I'm of the opinion that the feeding is not the topic that needs to be discussed as it is an obvious one. It would be nice if some one that was on a video of any type being asked 'can we watch you feed?' would gather enough courage to respond with a 'No. Unless we are going home with you tonight to watch you eat?' If we follow the analogy that feeding on video is likened to pornography than that makes everyone watching voyeurs as they obviously are getting some type of enjoyment out of it. Explanations of the process, and the facts behind it are nothing more than informational; but we don't need examples that will be viewed in the same way as the classic sideshow geek.
Remember; next time you get asked be be filmed feeding ask them if we get to watch them eat a burger next; Demzon said so. Wink

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What is special about being a vampire?

Nothing. What is so special about being homosexual? Nothing. What's so special about being Chinese? Nothing. It's something that is due to uncontrolled circumstances that took place before. Now if we could figure out the why for any of those three questions it would be much more impressive.

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And what is Black Veil? Why are there four versions of all that? Is not one version enough, or you just change it, whenever you like and give it a liking name to bring people to obey it?

The Black Veil, or 'The black dark and scary hide me from the world veil,' was written by Michelle Belanger and Father Todd back in 1998 and presented to the larger community in 1999. It is a set of rules that look very similar to the rules from White Wolf Games' World of Darkness game books. The original version was almost word for word and I even pulled out a book to prove it. Basically it says 'hide in a corner, don't say that anyone is full of it, don't share secrets that are not yours, be happy damnit, and listen to Demzon. Nah. Last one I just made up; it says listen to elders. I never liked it, I never signed anything saying I would follow it, and I follow a simpler set of rules that just apply to all of life; at least try to be nice, and do share secrets that are not yours to share.
The versions have come about from people modifying it to fit their little corner better, and just changes when the two of them realize just how unclear or useless something is. If you want a version try here at Sanguinarius'.

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Yes, people are now more convinced about your existence, but that's all. I just hope that you don't want to end up like an animal in ZOO's expositions, due to our fragile physical and mental health. I just think that we cannot afford going "out of coffin".

I am sorry for my english, but anyway I hope that somebody is going to explain me a purpose of all this.

Your handle on the English language is much better than some that have been speaking and using it all of their lives.
The converse can be seen as true as well though. The "fragile physical and mental health" is part of the reason that we do need to come out. There are some in the community that are not vampires but call themselves such anyway, and in some cases they do need help, but they use that "Black Veil" as something to hide behind to avoid getting the help that they need. Physically, I sure was not having fun over the last 15 years going through pain that I knew was coming because the thing to stop it was not; that will cause some psychological damage itself beyond the physical damage that is assumed.
I wouldn't force anyone to do something that they don't want to do; but I for one am tired of sitting around while the media only pays attention to the attention whores, or cuts off the real thing after 5 minutes because it's not what they were trying to sell the public. Then there is the unnecessary hospitalizations that both physically and mentally scar people.
No, we need to get people out of the mind set that everyone of us is just crazy; and that requires going public and big as possible.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2010, 02:10:20 AM »

I for one am tired of sitting around while the media only pays attention to the attention whores, or cuts off the real thing after 5 minutes because it's not what they were trying to sell the public. Then there is the unnecessary hospitalizations that both physically and mentally scar people.
No, we need to get people out of the mind set that everyone of us is just crazy; and that requires going public and big as possible.
The biggest issue I see with this is getting the media on-board. If they already only pay attention to the attention whores and cut us off, then what makes you think they'll change for us to get our message across? We could do everything perfect and they could still take our message and turn us into baby-eating, puppy torturing freaks.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2010, 12:26:50 PM »

The only thing the media has done to us is butcher us. Every time they say they want to true story they somehow put a spin on it to make us look stereotypical and dangerous. Unless we can find a vampire behind the interview I doubt we will get any good press. This is not me being pessimistic this is me being as truthful as I can. Have you ever seen a full interview that went well without a hitch that didn't make us look like total creepers?
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2010, 12:47:03 PM »

Personally, we've been pleased by the print media (as far as our involvement).

http://www.atlantavampirealliance.com/pressmedia.php

We don't consent to television media (usually) but this comes to mind.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/knKCKvJ-icE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/knKCKvJ-icE</a>
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2010, 01:08:15 PM »

well I don't see why someone can't get around the media's grasp. don't do interviews. Do true documentaries that you as a community can control. create your own media. Not to be media whores but to displace some of what mainstream media wants to make a cool movie and stir people up. Stop thinking about the butcher they do and debunk all the crap!!! Just my opinion!? Angry
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2010, 01:51:41 PM »

I have a feeling that this came away from the original idea of support online (or offline) groups, but never mind.

1. Why subculture? Do we have to look like a bunch of some sort of asocials similar to that goth subculture? In my opinion, vampirism is not a subculture, but we are beings like humans, monkeys, butterflies, etc. etc. If you state vampirism is a subculture (Or in media), then you (they) have to say that monkeys (butterflies, spiders) are also their own subculture and therefore humans are members of human subculture. You know what I want to say.
(Anyway there is still no scientific proof of vampyric existence, at least I do not know about it, but when it comes to mind, we are then still humans. So if you feel that vampires are subculture, then from this day I call myself an ordinary human excluding my unpleasant and weird past and present.)

2. Vampirism is not a religion. I respect vampire following various polytheistic or monotheistic philosophies like judaism, islam or christianity. Speaking of myself, I was a Jew until I converted to agnosticism, so no problem on this, but I still cannot comprehend existence of some, let's say, strange religions praising the existence of "living vampire" and tempting other (mostly immature vampires) to join them. You actually know what I am talking about but I would like to explain it somehow. I was always considered that being doesn't actually need to believe in his own existence. We just simply are and researching if we are just a dream or matrix or whatever you call it is meaningless for us, since we were born into this reality, hence this kind of research is a waste of time as long as we have no rational or empirical proof considered from many point of view.

Understand this post as being my point of view, therefore I disclaim any further dissatisfaction.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2010, 03:05:10 PM »

Why the subcultre?

While I feel adherence to the subculture is a bit of a detriment, I do have a theory (which I have stated before).  Essentially, any individual tries to understand themselves and deffine thier ego in the context of their surroundings.  For people who find the need to draw energy (often times in sang fashion), they find they have no context to understand themselves, and end up in 'ego freefall'.  The term 'vamprie' has a definition similar to what is happening, and people gravitate to it as a framework to understand themselves.  Many people have done this  and hence the subculture, in part, has developed.

One very interesting possibility, is the Vampire community tends to be a bit narcissistic, assuming that they are the only ones dealing with this.  In my opinion, it is MUCH MORE LIKELY that there is a significant amount of pranic feeders who have not identified with the archetype of vamprie at all.  In reality, its is likely that the vamprie community represents a small section of a larger group which utilize 'vampirc' techniques, consciously or unconsciously.

Why religion?  Again, I feel making it a religion opens up a whole can of worms, ripe for abuse.  However, the validation of energy exchange, and methods involved can be deffined under a umbrella of spiritual or metaphysical practice.  This quasi-religion status offers significant legal and civil protections under United States law, and hence it IS an advantage to describe it as such.

Ultimately, there is merit to this, as physically, it would be difficult to prove the small ammounts of blood a sang takes could sustain the body.  Lacking the scientific tools able to understand the energy exchange, it is best to define it as a spiritual practice.

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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2010, 07:00:47 PM »

If someone wants to film themselves feeding and share the film with others to explain what it is that we do, it's not my place to tell them what to do and what not to do. If someone films a feeding and is acting all "oh look, I iz vampire! Behold how I sate my hunger on my minionz!", I'm likely to snark about it.

I'm an ambient energy feeder and I'd like to challenge someone to make an oh so sensational film of my feeding techniques, mostly because people's reactions would be "Buh? What's with that? Where's the fangs and the hot sexxors?" Since a film of me feeding would entail such dark, decadent things as... Me pausing while walking through a crowded mall, or looking intently above the heads of the lines of people at the registers in the store where I work, or hugging my mom very closely and gently when she's in pain, or kneeling in church during Mass. The last would really cook some people's noodles ("I tawt vampirez cant walk on OMG HO-LEEE GROWND!!1111"). For me at least, feeding is as sexually charged as sitting in Dunkin Donuts and eating a chicken flatbread sandwich.

Note: I'm not snarking at tantric feeding techniques, but I am snarking at many people's preconceptions about us based on stereotypes. If someone sees themself as a sexy child of the night and that's what works for them, that's their approach; I'm a lot less adventurous, but it has to do with having a somewhat introverted personality, plus the vampire as sex god/dess just is a bit old in my perception.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2010, 09:05:19 PM »

Personally, we've been pleased by the print media (as far as our involvement).

http://www.atlantavampirealliance.com/pressmedia.php

For sure the press does better; then one does have to realize that the press is written for educated people to deliver information where as the television news is written to get ratings and hint at what people are supposed to feed about the story. TV is for the uneducated, unthinking masses so they know what to think.

The reason it is a subculture is because subspecies in not valid. There is no determinable difference large enough at the genetic level to justify that classification. Subculture is a subset of the larger culture, and as most of us are in the States it applies that we would be considered a part of the American culture; that makes vampires a subset of the American culture. Yes, English do odd things like that Dhalek. Hope that helps.

As for the ideas to stay out of the media; that is not possible. The, as PainDancer put it, "oh look, I iz vampire! Behold how I sate my hunger on my minionz!" types are the ones in the media now. They need to be removed by fact and clarity. If there are enough that can carry an intelligent conversation, and can speak clearly that come in to the medias view it will drive out the losers that are currently misrepresenting us.
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2010, 12:19:21 AM »

The only problem is.. as has been pointed out... our media.

Its corperate, therfore will only cover what will attract viewers.  This means the freak show will win out over the boring facts.

I am writing a editorial to the LA times.. maybe it will be run there.
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2010, 12:23:49 AM »

Thats a good thought but how many people really read the editorials??  Also people will form their own opinion no matter how exciting the facts are.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2010, 05:06:21 AM »

it is strange to see how the vampie community has developed since the inception of he internet. Pre 90's there very much WAS a vampire community, especially in europe from what I have heard. however back then because it was far easier to contain information, speaking about our existence was forbidden. since then the entire world has begun to notice more and more the propogation of information in general. there are major government secrets that are now public knowledge now becaue of the internet. so it is only natural that our information would find its way into the hands of the mainstream media. What I find interesting though is that now that the world is aware a little moe of us, some of us are starting to become comfortable with divuldging all the grity details. I dont think this is the best policy and all our eders and all the stories of our past tell us we should be secretive wth our natue. It is said that those who ignore history, are doomed to repeat it, perhaps that is something we should consider. I am not ashamed of who and what I am, but I am also not interested in being demonized because a few camera friendly vampires could not keep thier mouth shut. History and ledgend shows us an unaccapted view from societies standpoint, society has not changed much, when it does then perhaps we can come out of the coffn safely, but I do no yet think that time is at hand. We need to practice descression.
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2010, 11:33:01 PM »

Lazarus: In the 90's there was vampire communities all over the US; I was a part of a smallish one in the Denver area. If your speaking of the conspiracy sites run by people previously diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic and say it was wrong 'because it's a government and freemason coverup to make sure no one believes the truth that only I know,' they are not good for info and just make it up as they go.
As for the history I would be interested in hearing what points you are referring to that are post 1850. Pre-1850 or so, +/- 25 years, is an entirely different world and mindset with a totally different social structure through out the world. Also, I'm betting as far as your concerned I am an elder. (checked profile; yup, I'm elder than he is.) the idea of the statement that "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," to quote George Santayana, is mainly focused on major events and the precipitating factors. Sort of like no one remembers what came out of a country illegally seizing lands that were excluded from them by a previous surrender agreement, while those countries that swore to "stand vigilant" did nothing. That event had a person at the helm who was not born of that country and had fought in the war that ended with what he considered an unfair treaty of surrender. Would be nice if there was a "spoiler" tag on this board just for this. I'll put the answer up in a few days when I remember. (Added 4/8. The answer is: Germany, and the Nazi party)
Now, being the one who is pushing it this time you can verify with my ex-wife that I am in no way "camera friendly," nor would I want to be in front of one. I just have this terrible tenacity to try to do the best for myself, my family, and others. In this case, it applies to all three.
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2010, 11:30:35 AM »

personally, i fail to see the point of going underground.

Yes, I managed to come up alone and ened up mostly sane.  Not everyone does.. I think community and outreach can help.
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