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Title: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Merticus on March 27, 2008, 02:39:44 pm
The following is a question that was posed for group discussion at TWILIGHT II in Atlanta, GA this past March 2008.  I'd like to continue the discussion here on the AVA forum to gather everyone's opinion and input on the particular subject.  Please answer the question (all parts) below and offer your perspective!


Community Solidarity?

Discussion:
The vampire community is made of a very diverse group of individuals whom have very different life goals and ideals.  The community was founded with vampires in mind, and our goals have always been internal - sharing information, support and ideas among ourselves.  The vampire community still mostly exists as an intellectual and informational venue with a few isolated forays out into the "real world."  We have never, as a group, asked anything of the larger world, not even acceptance of our right to exist.  And we all know that getting a group of vampires to agree on anything is like herding cats.  Is there anything we could, would, or should want to accomplish as a large group of people, other than finding each other and holding parties and discussion panels?  Do we have any shared social goals?  If so, what are they, and how can we go about accomplishing them?  Do we have shared interests outside of vampire-specific studies and support?


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Vabieon on February 20, 2009, 04:31:02 pm
Now that's a good question. One noone has commented on but I feel should be acknowledged. Many of us have familys, jobs, and non vampiric social lives. I'm interested in many different things, for instance fine & digital arts and web and graphic design, music, online dj'ing, self help groups. Also alternative chats, 2 and 3d. "Would be cool if there were some vamp programmers out there that created an alternative chat exclusive for the OVC.  It would be nice to know what others were interested in outside of the vampiric community and see if theres in common goals, ideas.

Things that interest me:

Are there any vampire artists, programmers or computer geeks out there?

Perhaps putting talents together, creating, raising money for future vampire friendly 3d chat software programs.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: figment on February 20, 2009, 06:50:26 pm
"Is there anything we could, would, or should want to accomplish as a large group of people, other than finding each other and holding parties and discussion panels?"

No.

We should practice discretion and privacy.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: de libre on February 21, 2009, 10:32:44 pm
Open up to the medical field, do more testing...sounds nuts I know, but I am stubborn. I agree with the herding cats, people want to remain private, can't disagree with them seeing as they have things that they value like relationships of family, friends and jobs to uphold.

But I also think it's out there and we need to progress, not in a fashion statement, mainly medical looking into the aspects. Keep it simple, is the name of the game here. Forget talk shows on tyra or anything like that...this isn't a talk show...it's people's way of life.

But it doesn't bother me that we don't have all the answers, learning is a part of life, always ready to soak up more!


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: ClayCat on July 05, 2009, 01:25:19 am
While the medical research idea is a good one, I think there would be a lot of resistance from people in the community for a variety of reasons, unless their identities and test results could be kept private, even from each other.

Besides the possibility of unwanted exposure of participants, there is also the real possibility that it would become possible to identify who is and is not really a vampire by medical means. This would mean that some people who are attached to the label would have to give it up. To some of us, that would not be a big deal, but others have a lot of time, energy and self image invested in the community.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Altheia on October 04, 2009, 07:44:14 pm
That's the problem, isn't it? Is it possible to identify a real vampire with medical means?
I would say no... cause there are no such medical equipments to identify a vampyre now, cause so far it wasn't necessary... and it won't be during the next years.
Who really wants to know that? It's only our attempt to find out... the attempt of other vampyres to find out why... the reason why we are what we are.
The reason why we feel something is different...
But of course someday also the other humans want to know what is the difference between humans and vampyres... it's natural...
If I've got to give the answer I would say it's the Darwinism Evolution... I've got my personal reasons for that.... (reasons which are medical proved, but not to be discussed that openly. you want to know why...? please just ask...)
The human kind is developing... and compared to many thousand years ago we are quite alike now. But we should never forget that there were always the predators and the gatherers in the human species... That's something everyone should know: that some million years ago there were humans who were the predators and humans who were the gatherers. And the evolution decided who would survive. But what if the evolution did never decide that... if that's an ambivalence which is actual in existance?
That's just my two cents to that question.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: hexmoon3 on October 05, 2009, 06:06:01 am
I don't think I would have any clue as to a common goal. My goals are all save wildlife and save the earth related. I'm fairly sure not everyone is into the green movement. I think everyone would have different goals. Most people would not even agree on speaking in public let along announcing to the world their goals as vampires.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: paindancer on October 05, 2009, 06:08:18 pm
To be honest, without fact and research behind it, vampirism falls into being just an excercise in roleplay for too many people.

Being that a lot of people claiming to be vampires, arent, and they know it, and couple in the face that a lot of them claim vampirism because it makes them feel special or important, its no wonder where many would resist exposing it.

AVA did a great job with the survey way back, and are still mining information from it.  I 100% applaud this, and no.. the vampire police will not come and get you if there is public acknowledgment.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 05, 2009, 08:48:32 pm
I would gladly be the spokes person for all of the Vampire community.  I think it is time for the public to know who we really are.  they have become much more open minded in the past few years with all of the supernatural crazes going about.  I would do an interview with any news station saying yes I am a vampire, this is what I do, and this is who I am, and all that crap is just myth.  ^_^


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: belovedofdeath on October 06, 2009, 07:47:08 am
I would gladly be the spokes person for all of the Vampire community.  I think it is time for the public to know who we really are.  they have become much more open minded in the past few years with all of the supernatural crazes going about.  I would do an interview with any news station saying yes I am a vampire, this is what I do, and this is who I am, and all that crap is just myth.  ^_^

Keep in mind that the public wants a pretty face, too. :/  So who ever we were to pick, so to say, would have to be "prettier than Edward" because, well, our society is shallow like that. :\


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: paindancer on October 06, 2009, 11:57:50 am
Actually, there are a lot of documentaries going on.

My wife and I were approached a few months back about being part of one.  I ran into another crew filming at a fetish club.  The conversation was entertaining.

Crew Guy:  Hi!  This is a really cool place!  I heard there were going to be vampires here, do you know anything about that?

Me:  Its Los Angeles.  There is a pretty strong vampiric community here.

Crew Guy:  Wow!  So, like will there be people bleeding and drinking blood then?

Me:  Probably not.  There might be a flesh suspension later on tonight, but its not really a vampric thing.. more of spiritual art.

Crew Guy:  Oh... well they should be pretty easy to spot right, super gothed out, capes and such?

Me:  I suppose.  Never really can tell.  You might end up having a conversation with one tonight and not even know it.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Stellar on October 06, 2009, 12:10:27 pm
I would gladly be the spokes person for all of the Vampire community.  I think it is time for the public to know who we really are.  they have become much more open minded in the past few years with all of the supernatural crazes going about.  I would do an interview with any news station saying yes I am a vampire, this is what I do, and this is who I am, and all that crap is just myth.  ^_^

No offense, but I would hope that you would wait till you graduate from High school, college, and have lived enough of your life to be sure of your actions. Time and experience would also greatly benefit you. You do not know yet what life has in store for you.  In a few years time, you may wake up and realize that you are a completely different person from the person that you are today. Not to say that your vampirism is fleeting, but people change, and you will too. What is important to you today will differ from what s important to you a year from now or ten years from now. Your life will undoubtedly be different.

Always think long and hard about what you wish to do. So hard that you think your head will explode, and once you've weighed the pro's and con's mightily... act.






Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Stellar on October 06, 2009, 12:42:20 pm
The following comment is relevant to my last post.

I just posted the new collective video on forum. It provides some relevant advice about the media. Please watch it.

Link: http://www.atlantavampirealliance.com/forum/index.php?topic=954.msg7398;topicseen#msg7398


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Sunshine1626 on October 07, 2009, 02:51:04 am
The problem is that only someone who has a "normal" life could seem sane to almost everyone when in an interview. And those with a normal life most likely couldn't be a national spokes person without losing their job/family/friends.
Online it's easy for people with normal lives to congrigate with those like them, but if their face was on national TV their lives probably won't be the same again.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 07, 2009, 08:53:11 am
I would gladly be the spokes person for all of the Vampire community.  I think it is time for the public to know who we really are.  they have become much more open minded in the past few years with all of the supernatural crazes going about.  I would do an interview with any news station saying yes I am a vampire, this is what I do, and this is who I am, and all that crap is just myth.  ^_^

Keep in mind that the public wants a pretty face, too. :/  So who ever we were to pick, so to say, would have to be "prettier than Edward" because, well, our society is shallow like that. :\

Hehe, that's funny, people tell me I look like him.  I am a performer anyway so I keep myself looking as good as possible if I can.  Also, that way, I wouldn't be nervous in front of the camera and seem strange to the people watching.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: belovedofdeath on October 07, 2009, 10:15:14 am
I would gladly be the spokes person for all of the Vampire community.  I think it is time for the public to know who we really are.  they have become much more open minded in the past few years with all of the supernatural crazes going about.  I would do an interview with any news station saying yes I am a vampire, this is what I do, and this is who I am, and all that crap is just myth.  ^_^

Keep in mind that the public wants a pretty face, too. :/  So who ever we were to pick, so to say, would have to be "prettier than Edward" because, well, our society is shallow like that. :\

Hehe, that's funny, people tell me I look like him.  I am a performer anyway so I keep myself looking as good as possible if I can.  Also, that way, I wouldn't be nervous in front of the camera and seem strange to the people watching.

I think it would be strange if you weren't nervous. :P

And we'd need a different look than Edward, or we'll get pushed under the rug probably.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: paindancer on October 07, 2009, 10:22:43 am
The problem is that only someone who has a "normal" life could seem sane to almost everyone when in an interview. And those with a normal life most likely couldn't be a national spokes person without losing their job/family/friends.
Online it's easy for people with normal lives to congrigate with those like them, but if their face was on national TV their lives probably won't be the same again.

I think it depends on presentation.  If you come off as a social outcast, gothed out, solemn and morbid, you may get some press but people wont connect to the concept.  I am personally a little weary of the vampiric comunity be represented by members from the local goth club, as much as I like them.

Coming out of the coffin is not a social death sentence however.  If you are practical, socialy competant, etc, it can be done just fine.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Mystere on March 05, 2010, 01:18:36 pm
I think that now is probably bad timing. If we were to come out of the coffin now, as a community, we'd probably be accused of being caught up in the fad. Just like Witches have been put up against Practical Magic and Charmed and The Craft, we'd be put up on Queen of the Damned, Twilight, True Blood, and all that nonsense. And, unfortunately, we've already got "vampyres" out there that have undercut our reputation and credibility greatly, such as Don Henrie and "JS".

I think that it could be done, but it would have to be done carefully and with correct timing. Now may not be the best time.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: vitchy on March 14, 2010, 11:40:33 pm
So if you fit in the publics eye you are accepted??  Then you are a follower and you have accomplished nothing.  You need to be your own person.  If people dont accept you for who you are then we are all back to square one!!!


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Mystere on March 15, 2010, 09:47:02 pm
Agreed, vitchy, that everyone has the right to be their own person, but if there's a public representative for the community, it has to be someone the dayside world can be comfortable with and relate to. Then we can start bringing out the "kinky" stuff, and it might be more managable.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: paindancer on March 15, 2010, 10:14:40 pm
You can be functional in society, successful in career and relationships, and not at all be a follower.

Sadly, I see a lot of people in the vamprie community trying very hard to be unusual and odd, and it does undermine their credibility.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Demzon on March 16, 2010, 11:35:04 am
I see a few points to add here. First, the popularity of fictional vampires in different forms than the Dracula archetype lays a good bed for for us to come out really. The problem is the religious side when you come down to it. There are likely to be churches organizing protests. There is an upside to this though; I have known, in the past, a few vamps that are religious. If a church does start in to the 'hate them' rhetoric there is a chance that there will be vamps there to say something and leave; if not at least those that would support us.
As for the medical stuff; I would rather see a test out to determine if some one is or not. Personally, if I am not I would like to know that and get treatment for the real problem rather than continue suffering the pains and problems; both physically and mentally. I am doubtful that anything would be found in any of our lifetimes though as there is no money in it initially and a very small bed of information to start with.
Another point is that just because the community at large comes 'out of the coffin' as it has been put many times, does not say that everyone must say that they belong to the community publicly. I personally with not be putting on a blood red pointed Star of David to mark myself. (reference to the marking system that the National Socialists of Germany used for all the undesirable groups for those that didn't study that part of history.) As I said in my introduction, I'm fairly open about this; except to my parents. In a way that would be very much like the LGBT community.
I'm a jeweler myself, so not much help in the advertisement or mass viewable art unless you count stuff mountable to hats.
Theres my two cents on that; maybe a nickel, seems a bit more that just two cents worth.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: K. Muraki on March 16, 2010, 02:51:21 pm
You can be functional in society, successful in career and relationships, and not at all be a follower.

Sadly, I see a lot of people in the vampire community trying very hard to be unusual and odd, and it does undermine their credibility.

Exactly: We're really no different from the rest of humanity, we just have that one thing that sets us apart, that's all, and that is a deficiency in pranic energy, however one choose to fill that need. I think if you go out of your way trying to prove that you're different, then it's a sign that you're trying too hard to be different.

I don't think being a functional member of society (ie. holding down a job, taking care of one's quality of life, managing one's finances, maintaining healthy relationships with friends/family members/loved ones) makes one a "follower", I think it makes one a mature adult. The problem is, people have this image of us as unemployed basement-dwelling losers who read Twilight too many times, and unfortunately, some people's behavior only justifies that bad image. I think this is the wrong time for us to try coming out of the metaphoric coffin, given the glut of vampire media and the news reports on criminals like "JS", especially the latter.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: garbleduser on March 22, 2010, 07:36:28 pm
For years sheeple have thought of vampires as either fictional or one step past cannibals. Why don't we try to distance our selves from this degradation, with something like "yes, I'm a vampire, but who cares, it's not the issue." We can further prove our decency by showing the world how their politicians share the "moral philosophy of cannibals". (By this I mean that the politicians want the world set up in such a way as to steal wealth from those that can and do, to provide for those that can't or WON'T.) We need to express to the world that we want to live by our OWN means, not off of someone else's paycheck. If everyone sees that we do a better job of being productive than non-vampires, we may have a chance. We have the advantage, why don't we use it to produce wealth, jobs, and a dramatically improved economy? The only thing holding us back is the label "vampire," and our own laziness. Lets do the only thing that is truly moral, make money.

-Adam


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Demzon on March 22, 2010, 08:12:08 pm
 :D He said "sheeple"... I still like that word.
Seriously, I can't disagree with you there. You reinforce points that have been made by many; now the trick is doing it.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Lady Aszneth on March 22, 2010, 09:19:38 pm
I'm not sure about any common social goals we share as a collective community, yet one thing I've noticed through the years that appears to be a common interest, however, is history!  I'm a history nut to the bone and I have many vamp-friends who are. 


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Demzon on March 23, 2010, 12:04:14 am
History is the previews of things to come. :)


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: hexmoon3 on March 25, 2010, 02:32:50 pm
I am also a fan of History so I suppose that would be something.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Laura202 on March 30, 2010, 08:22:29 am
It would be nice to see the Vampire Community have some solidarity.  There should be more information out there ,because we aren't there has been alot of misinformation.  I started coming out of the coffin afew years ago.  I was threatened to be beheaded by some self proclaimed vampire on-line one night on AOL. I had disagreed with him. I have no idea who he was.  We need viable ,educated, informative , and courageous leaders. Not some of the arrogant, self proclaimed so called messiahs. The shinning warrior ain't no more ,their amour is rusty and feet are sore. Hiding under rocks doesn't help anyone. What happens to saying nothing is we leave younger generations of us open to abuse and misinformation. We do have some wonderful leaders, we need more.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: hexmoon3 on March 31, 2010, 10:27:27 pm
I'm not really sure we need a leader as much as a collaboration between everyone.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Demzon on April 01, 2010, 04:31:24 pm
A competent and solid leadership helps bring that collaborative environment in to existence. Thats sort of how things work most effectively when throwing a bunch of strangers in to a group, even when the goals are clear.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: hexmoon3 on April 02, 2010, 01:28:38 pm
In that case wouldn't it be best to have a group of leaders rather than just one? In my opinion, when there is just one leader they can often let it get to their heads after a while. When there is a few leaders even the whispered voices are heard. I believe that one leader may be overburdened which is why it would be good to have a few. In mine, there are four of us. Each of us has different opinions, yet each of us are equal. We all have different skills to contribute to the group which is why it is best to have more than one leader. It makes it fair for all. Also the knowledge of a many are greater than the knowledge of one. The ones who don't necessarily want to be heard designate from there a representative voted on by all to interact with others. So while it may look like one leader, it really is not.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Demzon on April 02, 2010, 04:29:43 pm
Yup, thats the essence of the term "leadership team", something that is applied in most successful businesses today. I prefer odd numbers myself as if it comes down to a stalemate a simple vote can be had to help move decision making forward with out the chance of a tie vote.
The point is that something needs to be done during this window of opportunity if any thing is to be done. By what I see happening in society I would say there is only about 5-10 years of a chance to be taken as serious people and not insane. I've been thinking about this quite a bit, as will be evident in a day or three here, and we have a chance right now. I would very much draw parallels to the movement by the LGBT community in that previous to the push they made homosexuality was considered a mental illness as well.
So to keep this short and go back to the original question; yes, a good number of us do want something and have a long term goal. That goal is this: To be considered normal members of society at large, and no longer people to be shunned and in hiding for fear of persecution by law enforcement or medical professionals. That has always been my goal at least, and I got very side tracked from it for a long time.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Lazarus on April 02, 2010, 06:45:22 pm
Honestly I dont know. for many the vampire community serves as a support tool for helping answer questions and provide safe guidelines. from there its real use and function are still very much up in the air. every human has a need for acceptance in some way or another, many vampires feels very isolated because of their nature and so the community is a way for them to feel less isolated by being around those that understand them. however there are probably as many vampires who are knowledgeable and content with their condition that manage to live totally normal social lives with non vampires and dont really have as much of a need for fellow vampire socializing. you certainly dont see lung cancer patients hanging out with each other just for shits and giggles, yeah maybe during chemo, but after they get over thier condition and learn to live with the after effect I imagine very few of them actually stay in close relationships with fellow patients other than the occasional cancer survivor meetup. as so stated by many people here there is also an issue of leadership, which is more complicated than I wish to write about, I have seen leaders of the vampire community rise and fall and rise again.


Personally I think we should stick to the practices of our predecessors and keep ourselves more hidden from the world as over exposure just tends to cause more drama than needed for us. At the same time I also believe it necessary for us to have some kind of public outlet in order for the newly awakened to be able to find their way. all and all I am not very decided about this issue, just my thoughts.

Lazarus


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: lisby08 on April 02, 2010, 08:35:48 pm
You are people like all else. Some of you of course have a little upswing in other areas of yourselves. My mama always told me: people of the world overall, are frightened, cynical, hypocritical people. They are afraid,fight and live for the unknown. Some fight and or live  for religion. Others afraid of it. The same goes for Vampyrism and being black, white , Pink w/ purple polka dots, Gay, well everything. All Large groups make their mark somehow. Don't think just within the community. think world wide. What things can be done with this many voices to help people hear you as people. Not as " OMG It's a vampyre." I have been watching for a year now,wading out the role playing to see truth. I understand the reality of it. I have also found a lot in common with myself. Again, I am not a vampyre,Just an opinion that is there.    :-[


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: hexmoon3 on April 02, 2010, 11:31:57 pm
That's why I to me...it really doesn't matter if we are in the public eye or not...the only thing that matters is if we are, it better be for a good impression and not for anymore bad ones. I myself am content with only having you lovely people to talk to and my closest friends to confide in. Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing at all.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Laura202 on April 03, 2010, 12:19:08 am
The pagan community has alot more solidarity. Look at Lillydale and Cassadaga.  It would be amazing to see an actual place like that for us. I realize some Vampires like to be solitary, like some Wiccans. There are others of us that would like to see more interaction and communication amongst our leaders. There are more of us coming out of the coffin. I truly don't now who to ask questions or speak with. We are to vague across the board. It gives the message we are ashamed of who and what we are.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: hexmoon3 on April 03, 2010, 03:43:37 pm
I am not ashamed of who I am, I would just rather live a peaceful life. If it did happen to come out that I was who I was, I would not deny it and I would be alright. But I would never go out of my way to let someone know. If anyone in my group decided to make us public then oh well it happened. That is where I stand as of now. Nobody should ever be ashamed of who they are. After all we are all unique and there is only one of us in the world.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Lazarus on April 03, 2010, 06:56:01 pm
There are many things I am not yet sure of concerning`this topic, however there is one thing I am sure of I think we would all agree with. If we were to go public, we should certainly not do so before we are properly organized and there is established leadership and guide lines for the ENTIRE community, or at least in the US for now. To do so would immediately lend to our incredibility and is bound to cause tragedy for the community in general.

We are at a delicate time right now and we must ask ourselves several things; what EXACTLY is it that defines us, and more importantly, what function do we serve to the world, how are we useful to civilization? Without knowing these things how could we possibly expect to form a strong and functioning community for the actual benefit of each other. In order for any  group of individuals to be prosperous and maintainable it has to serve a function and have a strong sense of identity. I think without this we will never find solid leadership or successful organization. They are the oldest questions in the world, that at some point everyone must ask them selves, " who am I?" ,"Why am I here?" until we are able to answer this collectively, we cannot move forward.

However, that does not mean that these are questions that cannot be answered, so far much of the online community has been an effort to do just this, I think it is simply time that there was a large scale communication of all the vampires around the country in order to try and establish definitions and goals and things of that nature. however pulling that off would certainly be a magic trick even chris angel would marvel at, but again, nothing is impossible. perhaps just the right one of us will come up with a brilliant idea that will be a rallying call for all of us, who knows.


Until then I am content with remaining hidden from the world, the quality of ones life is ultimately up to their own perception

Lazarus


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: Dantess on April 03, 2010, 09:47:51 pm
I too think it is probably to soon, but I do think we should be noticed, and respected and show the world that we are not monsters, and that we are basically like everyone else. I feel when that day comes we should all work together, and hopefully help the world out as well that is my goal is our Earth. Everything should revolve around Respect.


Title: Re: AVA Discussion: Community Solidarity?
Post by: HighPriestesschar on July 06, 2010, 12:10:14 pm
I totally agree, I live in a area that I wold have to invite my vampire friend to come out for one of my events or classes.and I would have  accommidations for them.I live in almost rual town. and the end of the city bus line.So what does that say about my town.I love it tough peacful.I'd love to have people come out for Halloween to payson utah. I would like to meet my Vampire friends face to face instead on the phone or on the net.
The following is a question that was posed for group discussion at TWILIGHT II in Atlanta, GA this past March 2008.  I'd like to continue the discussion here on the AVA forum to gather everyone's opinion and input on the particular subject.  Please answer the question (all parts) below and offer your perspective!


Community Solidarity?

Discussion:
The vampire community is made of a very diverse group of individuals whom have very different life goals and ideals.  The community was founded with vampires in mind, and our goals have always been internal - sharing information, support and ideas among ourselves.  The vampire community still mostly exists as an intellectual and informational venue with a few isolated forays out into the "real world."  We have never, as a group, asked anything of the larger world, not even acceptance of our right to exist.  And we all know that getting a group of vampires to agree on anything is like herding cats.  Is there anything we could, would, or should want to accomplish as a large group of people, other than finding each other and holding parties and discussion panels?  Do we have any shared social goals?  If so, what are they, and how can we go about accomplishing them?  Do we have shared interests outside of vampire-specific studies and support?