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Title: Calling All Guardians
Post by: ShadowMatt on January 28, 2011, 08:19:47 pm
Saw that Guardians are on the VEWERS and it got me curious
Any other Guardians on the board?


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: RKCoon on January 28, 2011, 08:28:29 pm
Er - perhaps you might want to first clarify what you mean by 'guardian'?


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: ShadowMatt on January 28, 2011, 10:56:53 pm
Its basically a species of otherkin. :)


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: RKCoon on January 29, 2011, 12:39:24 am
...... Thank you for that utterly uninformative bit, much akin to me saying Nuclear Physics is part of Physics. How bout some ACTUAL information, please?


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Zerochan on January 29, 2011, 01:44:38 pm
Not always. I'm considered a guardian, but I'm a fae.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: childofthespiral on January 29, 2011, 03:07:53 pm
I'm confused too. I've never heard of a type of otherkin specifically referred to as guardians.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: paindancer on January 29, 2011, 06:52:26 pm
There are a very few.  Fewer still post with any regularity.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: ShadowMatt on January 29, 2011, 09:40:04 pm
Theres just not many of us. Its sort of... like being an angelic. In a way. Guardians awaken, usually you just all of the sudden start to feel this intense pressure of power and you get your wings (No "Its A Wonderful Life" jokes >.>). We help people. Its what defines us. Hence, guardians. We have a "charge" or "charges".

P.S. Zerochan- You just hang out with us lol


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: RKCoon on January 29, 2011, 09:53:42 pm
In simpler words, a subsect of angelic. That was all that was needed really.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Catori on January 30, 2011, 12:48:21 am
-raises eyebrow- Odd...I do that too as far as helping people(been accused of sacraficing myself far too much for others actually) and end up with "charges" though I am demonic.....not sure angelics would be a proper or complete definition.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: display on January 30, 2011, 05:27:37 am
o.0
i just cant keep up with all the new "sub-groups" anymore....
wake me up when its all figured out


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: paindancer on January 30, 2011, 10:33:51 am
-raises eyebrow- Odd...I do that too as far as helping people(been accused of sacraficing myself far too much for others actually) and end up with "charges" though I am demonic.....not sure angelics would be a proper or complete definition.

While it seems more of a function than a subspecies, it seems angelic vibrations were tasked with those functions at the start.  As this timeline progresses and the angelic vibration continues to evolve, it seems other vibrations have come in to fill the role as well.

Im curious, Nadia, how do you define demonic?  Many seem to equate it to the polar opposite of angelic, equating it to fallen. 


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: RKCoon on January 30, 2011, 11:07:19 am
Well, speaking from my experience, Demonics are those that, while having something of a similar energy to angelic, dont have predilection to serving any deity, in fact, they generally have much more free will than what angelics do.  angelics further tend to be a fairly narrow collection of individuals; by that i mean that despite their human bodies and spirits, angelics tend to have very similar mind sets and behavioral patterns, where as demonics cover a much larger spectrum.  I would also point out I am personally not sold on the entire 'fallen angel = demonic' bit; i think that while angelics might like to CALL those that disagree with whom/what they serve as demonic to try and distinguish themselves from that which they find distasteful, there ultimately is not much difference at all.  Demonics tend to be very individualistic, free to do as they wish, and are highly varied in how they are - angelics, in my experience, when it comes down to it, all have the same clutch onto their 'leader' and the ideals revovling around such an individual.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: paindancer on January 30, 2011, 11:54:41 am
Hm.. I would have to agree with many of your assessments Koon.

We are talking local semantics, of course.. but yes, I do also find many functional angelic to be very ordered and hierarchical based, not to mention extremely black and white in their reasoning.  I find it useful not to view them in a 'good/evil' dichotomy but rather a 'order/chaos' one.

It seems to me, that 'demonics' can be a wide range of vibrations, encompassing anything 'not intended' (when viewed from a absolute angelic perspective of intended creation).  I think this can apply to a lot of things, from random patterns attaining sentience over time, to old things predating this timeline, remnants of the pre-existing chaos.  But yes, I agree, there is much more free will involved and individuality.  That certainly would include some patterns very near to angelic ones, I would speculate, but outside of my casting a broader net, we seem to be in the same realm of thought.

Clearly, I think too much on this topic.  :P

But yes, back to topic, I dosent surprise me at all that the 'guardian' role is not limited to angelics.  Especially considering, some angelics application of logic would result in wiping this reality and starting over.  ;)


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: RKCoon on January 30, 2011, 12:28:10 pm
ACtually thats another ironic bit - angelics would generally be quite pleased if this world was wiped out on the whim of thier leader, whereas demonics tend to hold value for this world and the people on it - in varying degrees of course.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: paindancer on January 30, 2011, 02:25:07 pm
Its only ironic if you bought into the concept that angelic equates to an benefactor.  But I get what you are saying,  being our culture is dominated by the roman catholic pantheon scheme.

For the record, its has been my experience that very few of the angelic vibration really would care one way or the other, and those that do have that level of free will to have an opinion tend to be somewhat mixed.  Damn straight, however, that there are some who look for any way to bend the rules to cause harm.  I wouldnt say all, but yes they are out there.

I think, that is why there may be so many different vibrations 'tapped' for the guardian role.  It may be more of a matter of universal stability opposed to universal order.  Balance and shades of gray.

Mmmm... interesting finding common ground with you.  Figured it had to happen, eventually.  I am pleased.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: ShadowMatt on January 30, 2011, 05:09:15 pm
I think I would be the outlier in that assesment though. Im lapsed wiccan, for all its worth, and I dont really serve any "heirarchal" or "diety" system. I tend to follow my morals over anything.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: ShadowMatt on January 30, 2011, 05:11:55 pm
PS- Also, while Guardians most identify with angelics perhaps, and there are angelics who are guardians, out of the 5 guardians I know on a friendly basis, 3 are vampires, 1 is nothing except a guardian, and one i dont know if hes anything or not. From my experience, being a guardian seems to occur in the same way vampires can also be kin.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Catori on January 30, 2011, 05:30:34 pm
I view a demonic/demon as RK does. Not a "fallen" anything nor the opposite of an angelic. I just am what I am and who I am and answer to no being. I dance to the beat of my own drummer and to hells with what others think or feel. I have free will and use it as I see fit. Not that I am evil or a fallen something or another. I have my set standards and morals that are my own. Even when I worked for a paramilitary police department, they knew I knew my job and would do right by the victims I was there to help...so instead of throwing any sort of rank at me or pulling rank one me or forcing me to follow the hiarchy, they just let me be and were totally hands off as far as I was concerned. I was the only one working for the city with purple hair and piercings and they dared not say a word where as they would strictly enforce appearance rules on everyone else and expect them to call their superiors by their rank. Where as I would wave at the chief and say "Hey...wassup Luther?" without anything being said to me. I do not do hierchy what so ever. Human or otherwise.  Not sure how else to explain it....I have had a very long and rough week so the brain is a bit fried.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: childofthespiral on January 31, 2011, 12:01:52 am
I am much the same way when it comes to using my free will and refusing to acknowledge or answer to any system of hierarchy. I view myself as equal to everyone else, not below or above anyone. I also do what I can for people when I can, because I truly do believe that compassion is one of the strongest forces there is, and it's in my nature to be compassionate.

I wouldn't consider myself a guardian though. I tend to equate the term guardian with someone who protects a an individual or a group of people, rather than one who offers assistance.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: paindancer on January 31, 2011, 08:26:02 am
Matt, seems the point where guardian not being tied to angelic was lost.  But yes, guardian seems to be a role, not an identity like vampirism tends to be a method for a lot of kin.  It's not what you are but what you do.  (granted, I can see the potential for a guardian construct to evolve sentience over time... people tend to not program them with an end date, allowing them to carry on long after their Target has crumbled to time).  Guardian is however a very broad and attractive word and I see many who use it without actual being.

Nadia, as with koon, we are more or less in agreement.  Though I will grin a bit and ask if being bound to duty is any less of a hierarchical bond? 


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Catori on January 31, 2011, 08:45:40 am
No I did not think of it as being bound to duty or I would have gone even crazier LOL. Honestly, it was a way for me to use my knowledge and skills to help others. That is how I viewed it. I was able to help in a much better way and more hands on. I could give the dead a voice and find some form of justice for them, I could take those who were hurt and scared under my wings and help them in any way possible. I did have someone ask how it was to be married to a job or bound by the job and I just grinned and asked since when? At any time -snaps fingers- I can be gone. Just like that I can lay the badge down and walk away. Which I did when I began being used more for PR work than what I had taken the job to do. I was not there to make the mayor happy or pander to the council members and become their personal photographer or what have you. I was there to help people in need. So when I became a PR tool for the mayor and council members, I handed my badge over and walked away. -shrugs- Which I told them I would do if they did not stop requesting me personally and leave me alone to do what I was there to do. They had decided they liked me and liked having me around and would not stop interfering with my real job.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Oblivionburns on February 01, 2011, 01:49:21 am
Now I see, Nadia & Coon, why I like you guys so much.  You make SENSE.  Don't think I'm guardian, but am able to absorb the pain of others & turn it into a form of energy that's useful for me.  Sometimes that makes the person fall asleep, but they don't seem to mind.  They're always in a safe place to nap & I have the energy to watch over them.  Perhaps Watcher or Observer fits me better?


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: SusanM on February 01, 2011, 01:13:28 pm
ACtually thats another ironic bit - angelics would generally be quite pleased if this world was wiped out on the whim of thier leader,

Funny. This was  the plot of 'Legion'. 


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: RKCoon on February 01, 2011, 08:55:33 pm
Still havent watched that, been wanting to though.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Hellflame on February 01, 2011, 10:45:59 pm
Really good Movie Rk. I mean list the plauges as well.

But as for the subject of Guardian, I am not what yall are listing, but I can be considered a Lycan Guardian.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Rav on February 28, 2011, 01:51:17 am
PS- Also, while Guardians most identify with angelics perhaps, and there are angelics who are guardians, out of the 5 guardians I know on a friendly basis, 3 are vampires, 1 is nothing except a guardian, and one i dont know if hes anything or not. From my experience, being a guardian seems to occur in the same way vampires can also be kin.

Being a Guardain is more who you are than what you are. It is not a kin-type. Not all Guardians have wings. Not that many identify with angels. Most are not vampires. There is no awakening. *facepalms* And I know this from experience. Nadia's got it pretty much right.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: ariesffa1500 on March 01, 2011, 02:58:43 am
What about guardian as a mentality instead of a state of being? A "hero complex" if you will. One might look at it that way as well in order to help cover all the bases.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: xero on April 20, 2011, 11:19:30 am
I can tell you only what I have channeled, though I do not know which information is true and which is false, which is valid and which is simply my imagination. There is a group of people, human beings, on this planet, that exist in various sects, and in different modes of expression, who are either awakened psi's or magickal users, both inside the lodges and outside the lodges, individual and in groups, who continually try to keep the balance of magickal order. I say order in the sense that these groups are aware of portals and other energy centers, that could allow certain energies into our world and cause severe conflict in the magickal realm. The problem, especially now that there are so many books on magick, is that if someone does the right invocation or evocation, at the right time, but for all the wrong reasons, they could allow very negative energies into the world that could effect all of us spiritually. The guardians that exist in this realm operate on the earthly plane, but there are some guardians who have advanced to the point that they can completely leave their body, and so travel and communicate with the guardians that exist in the astral realm. These guardians that exist in the astral realm operate also on the same principle, making sure that certain doors do not get opened, and a certain level of order and balance is maintained.

They do not allow just anyone to become a guardian and it is a serious oath, as it means a life of in many ways of complete selflessness, and morality, as there are certain magickal acts that are forbidden. The other issue is that the Order, if you want to call it an Order, is extremely secretive. In fact, what I am telling you now is not common knowledge, most people do not even realize that these people are actively doing this, and even if they did realize they were doing it, they would just chalk it up as a religion or cult doing meaningless rituals and having secret societies for no reason.

I understand their basic reasoning for what they do, but they kind of annoy me as they act like the astral police, and are constantly monitoring all magickal action. They could give people a break now and then, and allow people to have a little more freedom in what they do, but their intentions are mainly good. I think generally they put up with a lot more than I probably would given the same situations.



Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: darkwitch on April 24, 2011, 11:40:14 am
There seems to be a good debate about defining demonic and angelic.  I think thats great.  Time is ever moving and words should represent an ever expanding enviroment.  I would like to hear more from those that have posted on this thread about what they think and feel is a guardian.  I do agree that a deamon can be a guardian.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: paindancer on April 25, 2011, 11:18:15 am
I can tell you only what I have channeled, though I do not know which information is true and which is false, which is valid and which is simply my imagination. There is a group of people, human beings, on this planet, that exist in various sects, and in different modes of expression, who are either awakened psi's or magickal users, both inside the lodges and outside the lodges, individual and in groups, who continually try to keep the balance of magickal order. I say order in the sense that these groups are aware of portals and other energy centers, that could allow certain energies into our world and cause severe conflict in the magickal realm. The problem, especially now that there are so many books on magick, is that if someone does the right invocation or evocation, at the right time, but for all the wrong reasons, they could allow very negative energies into the world that could effect all of us spiritually. The guardians that exist in this realm operate on the earthly plane, but there are some guardians who have advanced to the point that they can completely leave their body, and so travel and communicate with the guardians that exist in the astral realm. These guardians that exist in the astral realm operate also on the same principle, making sure that certain doors do not get opened, and a certain level of order and balance is maintained.

They do not allow just anyone to become a guardian and it is a serious oath, as it means a life of in many ways of complete selflessness, and morality, as there are certain magickal acts that are forbidden. The other issue is that the Order, if you want to call it an Order, is extremely secretive. In fact, what I am telling you now is not common knowledge, most people do not even realize that these people are actively doing this, and even if they did realize they were doing it, they would just chalk it up as a religion or cult doing meaningless rituals and having secret societies for no reason.

I understand their basic reasoning for what they do, but they kind of annoy me as they act like the astral police, and are constantly monitoring all magickal action. They could give people a break now and then, and allow people to have a little more freedom in what they do, but their intentions are mainly good. I think generally they put up with a lot more than I probably would given the same situations.



My take is that you might be thinking too close to home.

I would guess, that many guardians are so on a spiritual level, and not a physically conscious one.

You talk a bit of order and limitations.. which I dont personally associate with agents of balance either, but rather angelics.

But that is just me and my perspective. ;)


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: darkwitch on April 25, 2011, 04:21:32 pm
I use to work at a convent.  When I started I got an odd feeling about a few of the Nuns.  I thought to my self they were sentinels.  I have no idea why I thought that.  I need to google that word and see if sentinels r like guardians.  Does anyone have any thoughts on that issue?


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: paindancer on April 25, 2011, 09:40:37 pm
I think, considering the inaccuracies of the human language, the two terms could be used synonymously.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: darkwitch on April 26, 2011, 06:55:26 am
I googled the definitons finally.  Interesting.  But the odd thing is when I had that thought about the nuns i didnt even use that word before or oviously knew the meaning.  It wasnt all the nuns just specific ones.  Each for different reasons.  I resigned my position there in that convent because and I know it sounds weird.  It was being taken over by a not so low level deamonic force.  I actually saw the gray mist go from one employee or Nun to the next.  They had forsaken their vows and abandoned their bond with their God.  I wondered if that convent was targeted because the the special Nuns there.  One night I heard the voice of a Nun asking for help.  She had passed awhile back.  I also heard a growling noise and the awlful smell of evil.  Not being of their faith I felt helpless to help her.  I did what I could and I think perhaps her spirit escaped.  Before that incident I saw the spirit of the founding Nun.  I felt bad about leaving the Nuns to their fate but in many ways I think they invited it in.  An atmosphere of bitterness and an attittude of demanding the wealth of the world for their prior years of service.  Occassionally I see them in the community and they look so drained.  Almost like walking dead.  I never say a word I just keep walking.  Its been over a year since I resigned there and still I am coping with the residual affects of working in that atmosphere.  After that experience I know for a certainty I am not a Guardian.  I lack the strength to endure the full force of evil.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Plump Black Swan on April 28, 2013, 11:37:36 pm
Greetings unto you Ca tori
I can relate to your situation on the job. I as well can wear Gothic/Mediterranean style jewelry, the color black with big long hair and not be asked to remove or take off anything. I read and study my Bible and Vampire Books out in the open without any restrictions due to my strong sense of awareness and work ethics. But I must say, your status, responsibilities and outlandish plus pericings are highly unusual acceptance under the restricted/judgemental job code. Of course by reading your post, this is due to your Vampiric Energy in addition to what is stated in your post.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Plump Black Swan on April 29, 2013, 12:59:34 am
After reading all of your post, I am coming into a full understanding about "OtherKin" & "Guardians". I know I may sound repetitive, but I am so thankful for this membership. I wish I had this knowledge years ago. Confusion, frustrations, doubts and unanswered secrets in my life would never have manifested. So I guess.............better late, than never.
I have had a angelic vist as a child. Two in my adult life so far. And a continuous angelic presence every now and then. I have also had a brief and I mean BRIEF encounter with one from the "darkened side".
I have seen the movie "Legion", I was quite moved. There are small minor aspects and scenes that pertain to my life which I will not reveal.
I understand one member(I forget who) on the 2nd page, posted that you cannot "awaken" to "Guardianship". Others posted similar to having the "Guardian" aspect within them.
I am a Vampire Lifestyler, Blackswan and future Blood Donor. My "Awakening" to Guardianship or having Guardian traits happened to me years ago before I ever knew anything about Vampires, OtherKin, Fae, Werewolves, the Community or even Atlantic Vampire Alliance. Avoiding was and is impossible due to my heritage. (NO-wealth, NO royalty, NO race, NO secret society) It's just that NOW ON APRIL 28th, between 8pm-1am, I NOW AT THIS MOMENT, I NOW come to a ever evolving understanding.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Plump Black Swan on May 26, 2013, 01:15:52 am
My "Awakening" to Guardianship or having Guardian traits happened to me years ago before I ever knew anything about Vampires, OtherKin, Fae, Werewolves, the Community or even Atlantic Vampire Alliance. Avoiding was and is impossible due to my heritage. (NO-wealth, NO royalty, NO race, NO secret society) It's just that NOW ON APRIL 28th, between 8pm-1am, I NOW AT THIS MOMENT, I NOW come to a ever evolving understanding.

I NEED TO REEDITED MY POSTED STATMENT FROM ABOVE. SINCE I CANNOT DO SO, I THEN MUST POST ANOTHER. AFTER READING MORE ABOUT THE SUBJECT OF OTHERKIN ON VARIOUS WEBSITES, I HAVE REALIZED THAT I AM NOT A GUARDIAN. I HAVE NEVER HAD ANY REINCARATED DREAMS OR VISIONS OF ME AS AN ANGEL. I HAVE NO PAST MEMORIES OF LEADING A LIFE AS A GUARDIAN ANGEL OF ANY KIND. I HAVE THOUGHT LONG AND HARD. AGAIN, I NOTHING COME TO MIND.THEREFORE, "THE AWAKENING" OF APRIL 28 MAY NOT BE UNTO A GUARDIAN BUT UNTO INNER HEART, MIND, SPIRIT, LIFE AND HERITAGE.

BUT DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND, I MY MIND AND HEART IS OF THE OTHERKINSHIP. I JUST HAVE TO SEARCH WITHIN MYSELF TO FIND THE TRUTH.


Title: Re: Calling All Guardians
Post by: Alyssasidhe on February 03, 2014, 10:38:59 am
Well, speaking from my experience, Demonics are those that, while having something of a similar energy to angelic, dont have predilection to serving any deity, in fact, they generally have much more free will than what angelics do.  angelics further tend to be a fairly narrow collection of individuals; by that i mean that despite their human bodies and spirits, angelics tend to have very similar mind sets and behavioral patterns, where as demonics cover a much larger spectrum.  I would also point out I am personally not sold on the entire 'fallen angel = demonic' bit; i think that while angelics might like to CALL those that disagree with whom/what they serve as demonic to try and distinguish themselves from that which they find distasteful, there ultimately is not much difference at all.  Demonics tend to be very individualistic, free to do as they wish, and are highly varied in how they are - angelics, in my experience, when it comes down to it, all have the same clutch onto their 'leader' and the ideals revovling around such an individual.

So essentially demons are considered disgraceful in the same sense that Ronin are considered disgraceful. That's an interesting way of putting it.