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Title: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Darklilone on October 05, 2010, 09:13:13 pm
When you shift, and feel phantom limbs.
Do you always feel them where htey're supposed to be?

like.. do you feel them in proportion or relation to your human body?

if you have one, your tail being toward the end of your tailbone (or wherever it would be if humans had tails), or do you feel it elsewhere?

have they ever moved?
like, If you normally feel your tail nearer the end of your tailbone, have you ever had the odd feeling of your phantom tail being on your lower back instead?
or instead of you ears or horns being directly at the top of your head, have you ever felt them appear closer to the back of your head, the front or slightly off to the sides?
or wings, instead of by your shoulder blades, on your lower-to-mid back?

Basically, i'm just asking if you'd ever had your phantom limbs feel as though they shifted in an odd place?


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: The Sentinel on October 10, 2010, 11:46:24 pm
I don't need to "shift" into anything to have phantom limbs. I often have them. I'll have feline ears, wings, and a tail. I feel them at where they would be on my physical body, were they supposed to be (the end of my tailbone, my shoulderblades, my ears being at the top of my head). They don't feel like they have ever moved from where I've felt them initially though. Perhaps you're just discovering another aspect of yourself, or another aspect is becoming more dominant causing a change in "appearance"?


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: fallen.from.zero on November 24, 2010, 12:32:01 pm
Mostly I'll feel ears, a tail and a snout right where they belong, but there are times where I can sense the entire body of the wolf and that is where it gets confusing.  Since the wolf is taller than I am while sitting down, my mind has to work a little harder because it's like seeing from two points of view at the same time.  Other than that though, I never feel any phantom limbs "out of place."


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: masticina on November 24, 2010, 11:31:52 pm
Oh I can easily get my tail out. It actually feels attached somewhat higher then the tailbone. When it comes to claws and teeth well those things can come into play if either I desire it or.. well allot of stress. I tried but no "dog sight' isn't it it. But well being a mixed one [Ugh vampire/therian and oh have draconic influences..hello is there also a seat for me left?] I kinda have different things from different sides. And my sight is more vampiric in nature then therian.Hearing though seems to be quite decently therian..

Ah makes me question how to retain humanity.. yup that is the key retain humanity we have human bodies. We might be stuck here in them so best is to learn to use them.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: ShadowMatt on January 18, 2011, 09:41:45 am
Ah. I can feel my wings on my back all the time. It takes a great deal of effort to get comfortable, to be honest. lol.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: masticina on January 18, 2011, 11:11:25 am
Ah. I can feel my wings on my back all the time. It takes a great deal of effort to get comfortable, to be honest. lol.

They make the doors way to small I tell you *chuckle*


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: ShadowMatt on January 19, 2011, 09:51:38 am
Ah. I can feel my wings on my back all the time. It takes a great deal of effort to get comfortable, to be honest. lol.

They make the doors way to small I tell you *chuckle*

This I know xD. Especially school doors, way to small. And the DESKS. I tell you, High School is actively trying to make us winged peoples as uncomfortable as possible.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Zerochan on January 20, 2011, 08:56:56 am
I don't need to shift to feel my wings, but I can control when they manifest a little bit. Helps with doors and such. I can also control when/if they move.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Catori on January 20, 2011, 09:25:07 am
-shrugs- Succubus/demon soul...just always have had a handle on wings and tail. Just mostly don't manifest them...makes crowded areas and such much more annoying, Especially when you are a kid and have to stand in a single file line and crap like that. Kinda even forgot about them for a while too LOL. 


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: SilverRose on January 20, 2011, 09:33:57 am
Exactly, I usually only manifest my tail at home due to the lack of chiars with holes in the back and crowded hallways and what not.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Zerochan on January 20, 2011, 09:59:02 am
I only have an issue with chairs when I lean back, or pass through doors. Jeeze, I never knew something non-corporeal could hurt so damn bad if you bend it wrong. xD


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: paindancer on January 20, 2011, 10:53:22 am
Interesting.  I have never really tried to assume a terrestrial template needs to apply, so it is never a issue with precise placement.  After all I am not at all in the right form so nothing seems in the right place.  The form us fluid to a degree, so some traits are more pronounced from time to time.

I envy the discussion in controlled manifestation however.  Going in a full month of constant pain.. chuckle.. I wish I had some sort if voluntary control opposed to the relief by feeding in a new pattern.

Teach me your ways!  LOL


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Zerochan on January 20, 2011, 12:33:36 pm
My form is almost correct, seeing as fae are humanoid in shape.

The way I learned to control the manifestation was through visualization. When I want to put my wings away, I visualize them getting wispy, then shrinking and fading. Then, when I want them back, I visualize their wispy shape flowing out of my back, then materializing fully.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: NyteMuse on January 20, 2011, 12:39:42 pm
My form is almost correct, seeing as fae are humanoid in shape.

Some, but not all (fae, I mean) *smiles*

From what I hear from others of non-humanoid shapes, maybe you're lucky for being on the humanoid kinds of fae, as there are somewhat less body dysphoria issues. I've seen dragon or bird Kintypes perch and then notice they don't have the same talons for gripping, or kitsune get annoyed people are walking through their tails because they are not physically visible. :)


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Catori on January 20, 2011, 06:02:39 pm
I have always done as Zero has. Visualization technique that..well..I just almost instinctively did.  ;)


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Darklilone on January 21, 2011, 05:29:37 am
I've not usually experienced pain in the sense of my percieved limbs hitting things..
i feel minor discomfort of my wins like they're crushed if i sit back all the way in a chair.. and i imagine it could be a factor in my anxiety in large crowds..

the only discomfort otherwise that may or may not be related are chronic knots in my back, and even my tailbone aches on occasion, but i suspect i broke that about a year or so ago..
Sometimes i feel as though my nose and mouth area, even my eyes and various places of my face change.. like cat eyes, or feline/canine teeth (or "fangs" even) or nose and muzzle.
I sometimes feel something on top of my head, or in the back of my head but have yet to figure out what it is..

I've never tried to control when/how they manifest, though i don't believe i can. i've not tried to consciously move them either.. i don't have much use for them physically, as they are not physical.... it would be something to try.. though i've felt, especially my wings, move.. they surround me sometimes, like a shield, or they'll spread out or bristle when i'm upset, to cause me to look bigger, i assume (sort of the animal fight or flight "puffed up" look). My wings rarely open fully though.. maybe that's why i'mnot sure how big they are or what they look like.. i just know where they usually connect onmy back..


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Darklilone on January 21, 2011, 05:30:15 am
I've not usually experienced pain in the sense of my percieved limbs hitting things..
i feel minor discomfort of my wins like they're crushed if i sit back all the way in a chair.. and i imagine it could be a factor in my anxiety in large crowds..

the only discomfort otherwise that may or may not be related are chronic knots in my back, and even my tailbone aches on occasion, but i suspect i broke that about a year or so ago..
Sometimes i feel as though my nose and mouth area, even my eyes and various places of my face change.. like cat eyes, or feline/canine teeth (or "fangs" even) or nose and muzzle.
I sometimes feel something on top of my head, or in the back of my head but have yet to figure out what it is..

I've never tried to control when/how they manifest, though i don't believe i can. i've not tried to consciously move them either.. i don't have much use for them physically, as they are not physical.... it would be something to try.. though i've felt, especially my wings, move.. they surround me sometimes, like a shield, or they'll spread out or bristle when i'm upset, to cause me to look bigger, i assume (sort of the animal fight or flight "puffed up" look). My wings rarely open fully though.. maybe that's why i'mnot sure how big they are or what they look like.. i just know where they usually connect onmy back..

about the moving thing.. i've also felt my ears prick up..
there's a bunch of them but those are what come to the top of my mind.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: SilverRose on January 21, 2011, 08:48:22 am
That's pretty ironic I've always done it the same way as well.  ;D


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Hellflame on January 21, 2011, 09:13:30 am
I can't get my tail or ears to go away no matter how hard i try to consentrate on it. But the only time that it really gets in the way is when I'm on a long road trip and it is bent at a weird angle.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Hellflame on January 21, 2011, 09:14:55 am
Exactly, I usually only manifest my tail at home due to the lack of chiars with holes in the back and crowded hallways and what not.

Silver we go to the same school, so why don't you just get the chair that is behind you.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Zerochan on January 21, 2011, 10:54:42 am
My form is almost correct, seeing as fae are humanoid in shape.

Some, but not all (fae, I mean) *smiles*

From what I hear from others of non-humanoid shapes, maybe you're lucky for being on the humanoid kinds of fae, as there are somewhat less body dysphoria issues. I've seen dragon or bird Kintypes perch and then notice they don't have the same talons for gripping, or kitsune get annoyed people are walking through their tails because they are not physically visible. :)

Crap.... yeah, I forgot about that. xD One thing I can relate to kitsune on though is people walking through my wings. I despise that. It's worse than them going through a wall, I swear. -.-


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: paindancer on January 21, 2011, 12:22:49 pm
No.. mistifing them makes the pain increase.. stubborn, I am.

Guess its just a grin and bear it scenario... attempting to feed them hurts, attempting to dissapate them hurts, ignoring them.. hurts less as long as I dont do anything metaphysical related.

BTW, I find that most commonly described 'wings' would be insufficant in size to provide physical flight.. so their presence could very well be another function.  The mentioning of them wrapping around, etc reminded me of that.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Darklilone on January 22, 2011, 07:29:47 am
No.. mistifing them makes the pain increase.. stubborn, I am.

Guess its just a grin and bear it scenario... attempting to feed them hurts, attempting to dissapate them hurts, ignoring them.. hurts less as long as I dont do anything metaphysical related.

BTW, I find that most commonly described 'wings' would be insufficant in size to provide physical flight.. so their presence could very well be another function.  The mentioning of them wrapping around, etc reminded me of that.

I have no idea their actual size. I imagine they must be rather large due to my perception of them surrounding me like a sheild or something.. or like a bat surrounds itself with it's wings for protection from the  light when it sleeps.
That or it's simply my aura expanding and encompassing myself and any particular individual who i feel comfortable with and is close enough..
I've surrounded myself and a significant other in the past, or so that's what i percieved, while we were cuddling close together.

Why i think this is more phantom limb related than aura, though either it could be, is that on rare occaisions i've woken up from sleeping feeling as though my physical body was trapped..
like when your blankets wrap too tightly around you or something.. but i had very few, if blankets at all, around me and they weren't around my ENTIRE body (face included, i can't stand the blanket on my face)..
I realized i must have been comfortable, wrapped my -wings- around me while falling asleep then woke in a start because they felt foreign to me..

my own name and physical body has felt foreign to me or as though i wasn't fully in it, upon waking some mornings. i've asked myself "who am i this time?" "where am i?" and "am i dead?" immediately upon waking, some in the morning after a dream, some in the middle of the night..


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Zerochan on January 22, 2011, 10:44:31 am
No.. mistifing them makes the pain increase.. stubborn, I am.

Guess its just a grin and bear it scenario... attempting to feed them hurts, attempting to dissapate them hurts, ignoring them.. hurts less as long as I dont do anything metaphysical related.

BTW, I find that most commonly described 'wings' would be insufficant in size to provide physical flight.. so their presence could very well be another function.  The mentioning of them wrapping around, etc reminded me of that.

Mine are about a meter or so each out from the center of my back.
Maybe they're supposed to behave like a bee? They're wings are supposedly insufficient for flight as well. Or the mechanics of flight could be different in the astral.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: paindancer on January 22, 2011, 01:58:18 pm
Very different.  *chuckles*  You really cant draw too many parrallels with the physical.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: ShadowMatt on January 28, 2011, 09:23:14 am
My wings are large enough to wrap around me, comfortably, without having to stretch them out alot, but Ive seen other Guardians that can fill a room lol.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Danielle on May 26, 2011, 06:44:45 pm
I've become so used to to my ears and tail now that it feels like they are always there, like when I'm happy it wags, my ears are always moving with my facial expressions, thoughts and emotions. In relation to there location, my tail is the end of my tail bone, where it should be biological, and my ears are the same, just a little higher up then where they are physically located.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: Zerochan on June 09, 2011, 10:40:18 am
Whoever mentioned body dysphoria issues, I consider myself lucky that the most out of place thing I have to deal with is slightly pointed ears. I had those kind of headphones that go around the ear once, right? It felt like they were sitting on my physical ear, and stabbing through my astral one at the same time.

As for wrapping my wings around myself, I can't do that comfortably. They really don't like to bend that way.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: SilverRose on June 21, 2011, 09:55:19 am
For me wings are a wierd issue i feel like they are there but i cant visualize the shape i often see multiple types of wings. i'm not real sure what mine actually look like. 


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: paindancer on August 23, 2011, 08:58:36 pm
For me wings are a wierd issue i feel like they are there but i cant visualize the shape i often see multiple types of wings. i'm not real sure what mine actually look like. 

Ive heard that a lot actually.  Very few people really describe wings of a given size which would be functional.  I bet, that preception of wings, is more of an energy collection process.  Our minds have to do something with the sensation.. so we identify it as 'wing'.  They even visually equate to that.

I have 'blades' down my arms and legs too.  Dont know what to tell you regarding the feeling that my foerarms should be able to split along the radius and ulna...  Granted, my form tends to be somewhat fluid and maleable...


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: masticina on August 24, 2011, 09:09:26 am
The joy of phantom limbs, The tail sitting still is fun, I always need to have some space for a tail. Most I pick things up in my mouth though as if the bones are not fitting right. Both my sides are predatory but different, the original soul is a wolf but I am one of the dragons to.. So at times I feel changes in how my muscles move depending on who is the strongest. One can say the wolf is more a physical empowerment. while the dragon is more a magical one.

Depending on what I do hence I feel different..



Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: SilverRose on August 24, 2011, 09:21:04 am
Well I don't have any problems visualizing anything else. Lately though I have been seeing one form of "wing" more often than most, but there more like long thick Tendrils with pointed tips on the ends and there are at least six of them. They seem to be able to change forms, but yet again I am not 100% as to what they look like when they do.

The only other one I see from time to time are huge double rings with curved blades that move along the outside edges of the rings. These though may be completely unrelated to my wings, and might have to do with something else.

I think the fact that I have so many connections with other things is part of the problem in my case because I see Dragonic wings of some form every once in a while aswell. It's just confusing.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: paindancer on August 24, 2011, 11:21:32 am
Well I don't have any problems visualizing anything else. Lately though I have been seeing one form of "wing" more often than most, but there more like long thick Tendrils with pointed tips on the ends and there are at least six of them. They seem to be able to change forms, but yet again I am not 100% as to what they look like when they do.

The only other one I see from time to time are huge double rings with curved blades that move along the outside edges of the rings. These though may be completely unrelated to my wings, and might have to do with something else.

I think the fact that I have so many connections with other things is part of the problem in my case because I see Dragonic wings of some form every once in a while aswell. It's just confusing.

Well, keep the possibility in mind that visualization, might just me a mental 'name tag' so to speak.  IE we are talking about awareness of and existence that has little to do with the physical world, and are trying to understand them with a mind formatted to understand the physical world.

Wings, back tendrils, seem to be pretty common among a lot of kin, and there is even a very high occurrence of them in mythos of various cultures as well.  Biologically, they are impractical (most people do not describe the 30-40 foot wingspan required to lift a human body mass).

As far as them shifting.. well.. thats fine.  Why would you want to limit yourself anyway?  ;)

Its normal to want to label things, it helps us understand them, to make sense of it all. 

Thats why I refer to myself as a Primal-Chaos-Elemental-Vamprire-Dragon-Jellyfish-Angellic-Obsidian-Techno-Sucubi-Adaptive-Demonic-Fey-Reincarnated-Starchild-Guardian-Changeling-Fractal-Celestial-Kin.  SOOO much easier that way. 

:P


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: SilverRose on August 25, 2011, 09:33:42 am
Well luckly for me I have always been a thinker, so understanding things outside the "real" physical world is not usualy that difficult for me.

Like I always say I don't just think outside of the box I think outside of the thing that is outside that box. XD

At any rate though. I've never seen anyone use so many labels before, and I thought I was bad. XD but I suppose it is easier that way.


Title: Re: Phantom Limbs
Post by: XXXDameaXxXD on July 15, 2013, 12:07:58 am
Lately I've been feeling as if either of my legs (varies from leg to leg) is the tail of a wolf and I often catch myself moving a leg back and forth on whatever I'm laying down on in the way a tail would. I usually don't realize I'm doing it. As far as my ears, as I've stated before, I feel them all the time, sometimes their location changing from over my actual ears and extending upwards up my head to atop my head (but usually I feel them over my ears), but it all seems to manifest when I rage shift. Sometimes I feel a muzzle or that my face has elongated a bit, but this is rarely felt.