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Title: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Thought on July 20, 2010, 06:04:10 pm
OK!  Now that I have your attention with that lovely title, I'll explain what I mean.

So as people may or may not be aware, my family has been made whole by the near completion of the adoption of my beautiful son.  Suddenly becoming a mother to a 7 year old is no small undertaking I tell you.  And so I chose to leave my job of 60+ hours a week.  While savings will carry me as a stay-at-home-mom for a few months, eventually I will have to go back to work and I would like to do so part-time.

So, with all my lovely degrees I have been looking into becoming a Teacher Adjunct.  There is an opening at a local Christian College.  It's a nice place and so far the people seem agreeable.  But it is a Christian Faith based institute that is private funded.  So they can pretty much preach Jesus as much as they want. 

Part of the interview process is to 'discuss my walk through life with Jesus Christ.'

Now while I respect the spiritual lives of all creatures big and small, I tend to think that is a personal issue and am not comfortable just throwing out beliefs.  Obviously I'm not going to be able to speak candidly with these people if I want to actually get the job.

So then, would you swallow the Jesus cracker and smile for the possibility of a decent job?  Obviously I've no intention of flat out lying, but I will have to phrase things THEIR way.  I will have to practice spirituality (at least in the open) the way THEY say in order to get a pay check.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Maenad on July 21, 2010, 09:39:27 am
Honestly unless it was only for a short period of time then I'd say no, and look for something else. It was like the one job I had where people expected me to be all smiley all the time and that just didn't work with me. After I was moody when usually I'm not, and just felt like I wasn't in my own skin and dirty. If that is how you see the outcome being then don't do it unless you really need the money. Then do that but look all the time for another job that will be better for you.   


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Thought on July 21, 2010, 11:02:15 am
It's a very short period of time, the money is good, it's basically working 4-10 hours a week for a rather hefty paycheck AND...I need the money.   :-\


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Maenad on July 21, 2010, 11:33:49 am
Then do it, and have a drink waiting for you when you get home, and a warm bath. ;) Or whatever you like to unwind. XD Just remember that the money is going to you and you'd make far better use of it then a pedophile priest. (I really couldn't help myself saying that. XD)


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Taris on July 25, 2010, 05:22:34 pm
I personally wouldnt know unless the situation arose. There have been instances where I have applied at places which was face based simply do to the need to earn something, anything, to survive. I have yet to work at such a place though. At this point I am currently unemployed for the past 6 months and If the church were to employ me for some reason I would gladly join simply to make ends meet. I have a 4 year old daughter to think about so I would put aside my pride and do it. I wish you the best with it and hope that you wont have to swallow too much of jesus as I know over time that would drive me myself to wits end lol.


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: paindancer on July 27, 2010, 11:47:24 am
My mind is so in the gutter with this title.

but.. ultimately.. its  their rules, their game.   You either play it, or your dont.


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Thought on July 27, 2010, 06:28:58 pm
Ah the mind in the gutter where it belongs.   ;D

Thanks for the input everyone.  I sent them my 'journey with Jesus Christ' statement and they stopped replying to me.  ~_~;;  My mom told me she would write a sparkling one for me, but I just take issues with flat out lying about spiritual things.  Makes me taste bile.

So in the end it might not matter because I don't think I'm 'Christian enough' for them without being a complete and utter phony.  How ironic is that?


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Taris on July 27, 2010, 07:04:04 pm
Lol I could comment but I would anger alot of Christians i imagine. Well I wish you the best in finding work suited to your situation Thought :).


Dark blessing.


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Thought on July 27, 2010, 07:09:01 pm
Thank you Taris, I appreciate it.  :D


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Taris on July 27, 2010, 07:16:24 pm
Anytime. I am simply passing time now so im prowling the boards and thinking as I surf the web lol.


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Thought on July 27, 2010, 07:33:53 pm
Yeah me too.  Trying to entertain my brain.  It's been a bad few days.   :P


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Taris on July 27, 2010, 07:44:56 pm
Thats a difficult these thing between games and the net based games. Then those who would be on the games and on the net and the various activities on it besides simply the games. But yeah :P I havent had a full blown intellectual conversation about well anything for a while. I feel I am rotting my brain away 0.o


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Maenad on July 28, 2010, 08:36:57 pm
paindancer lol yea I thought of that too.

Thought that sucks they haven't replied to you. I know that I'm way too much of an Atheist so if I had to do that I'm be flat out lying. However if I needed the money I'd do it. When it comes to something like that being spiritually pure doesn't mean anything to me. However if it was for a long period of time I might get outed, I can act just as long as I have breaks where I don't have to.


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Taris on July 29, 2010, 12:09:26 am
I understand you there Maenad. The problem isnt in being able to lie its whether you wish to or not. I personally have lack of morality so lying about my standings with good ole christ doesnt concern me much.  If it comes to family or religion family comes first. Friends second as without those around you you would be lacking. I find this "place" and what you must do to eat and provide comes first and foremost. The spiritual will be the spiritual. The physical is the here and now, which is why so much drama arises from houses and eldership and all that drama and bullshit pardon my language. I say first and foremost we strive to better ourselves here. The spiritual we have a lifetime for. I have been practicing 10 years now and if I am not well with the physical, my funds, and my family my whole spirituality is out of whack as both mirror each other. So what? Deal with the christian or catholic bullshit until you are fine and move on.

AS for the gutter. *grins* my mind is there constantly but ehh. :P Dark blessings all.


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Maenad on July 29, 2010, 10:09:09 am
Taris I often find that kind of morality to be shallow and only self gratifying, your right the only thing important are the people you care for. For my mom I fake being an innocent Catholic girl in front of my great aunt. That's because she's over 90 and has been really religious her whole life, and really wouldn't understand what it is to not be. She'd probably think I was Satanic lol especially because one of my ex's wasn't white. That's where my view of it being shallow and self gratifying comes in. ;) I never understood also the logic you do something to hurt someone then after you wish it was better again.

Also lol who's mind really isn't? lol     


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Taris on July 29, 2010, 04:08:30 pm
:P Alot of people claim theirs isnt but all it is is simply suppressing it or keeping it from the public eye. I rather show it and those who take to it do those who dont dont XD.

As for the topic of the physical and spiritual. Its all said there what more is left to comment on it eh? lol


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Thought on July 29, 2010, 04:29:18 pm
Yeah there isn't much that hasn't already been said I think.  I just feel weird about spiritual questions.  I feel they're personal aspects of life and don't enjoy discussing them with strangers.  It's akin to an employer asking me what my sexual preference is and me having to lie to get a job.  Umm...that's none of their business ya know?  Be that as it may...I sent a 'thank you' letter to the woman in human resources.  I got an automated reply that she is out of the office...Soooo, it MIGHT be that she's out of town and hasn't properly finished going through my application yet.  Here's hoping...


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Maenad on July 30, 2010, 02:11:13 am
Thought, yea I feel well there is still a stigma being an Atheist and too if someone is a religion that you are not in either case it makes the first conversation you have with them awkward. To be honest the world would be a better place  if people kept their religion to themselves more. I know in the group I'm in on youtube some of it is just trying to get rid of negative stereotypes. Good luck on your application. <3


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: wendelin on July 30, 2010, 12:48:26 pm

I have found that your better off not talking about religion, faith, spirituality, social circles, race, and politics at any job long or short term.
It will  be hard to smile but if you need the money, just breath and do it.  ;)
Wenelin


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Maenad on July 31, 2010, 01:24:44 am

I have found that your better off not talking about religion, faith, spirituality, social circles, race, and politics at any job long or short term.
It will  be hard to smile but if you need the money, just breath and do it.  ;)
Wenelin

Why does that remind me a bit of taking shots of liquor? XD It's like after you need lime slices. ^__^ No salt though just because I'm not a fan of it. ;)


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Taris on July 31, 2010, 03:19:05 am
See the issue is wendelin seems this employment opportunity is at a religious institution and they ask about it when it comes to their employees and have certain practices. Though if im not mistaken they have strict DoL laws preventing a place of employment from factoring in religion. I would assume that is role based such as say a pastor eh? Teaching Sunday school and the like would also be those looked into to see if someone will be teaching or simply reciting the words from the bible or whatever other book. Sadly enough money may be money eh regardless of what you'd have to put up with to earn it.


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: wendelin on August 02, 2010, 01:53:54 pm
ok remove the smile...
I was just saying that i've worked in place like that and there are ways to get around it and still make a short term living. But still keep your eyes open for something better.

I wish you luck,
Wendelin


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Heather333 on August 13, 2010, 12:05:27 am
OK!  Now that I have your attention with that lovely title, I'll explain what I mean.

So as people may or may not be aware, my family has been made whole by the near completion of the adoption of my beautiful son.  Suddenly becoming a mother to a 7 year old is no small undertaking I tell you.  And so I chose to leave my job of 60+ hours a week.  While savings will carry me as a stay-at-home-mom for a few months, eventually I will have to go back to work and I would like to do so part-time.

So, with all my lovely degrees I have been looking into becoming a Teacher Adjunct.  There is an opening at a local Christian College.  It's a nice place and so far the people seem agreeable.  But it is a Christian Faith based institute that is private funded.  So they can pretty much preach Jesus as much as they want. 

Part of the interview process is to 'discuss my walk through life with Jesus Christ.'

Now while I respect the spiritual lives of all creatures big and small, I tend to think that is a personal issue and am not comfortable just throwing out beliefs.  Obviously I'm not going to be able to speak candidly with these people if I want to actually get the job.

So then, would you swallow the Jesus cracker and smile for the possibility of a decent job?  Obviously I've no intention of flat out lying, but I will have to phrase things THEIR way.  I will have to practice spirituality (at least in the open) the way THEY say in order to get a pay check.

Thoughts?


Unfortunately, I swallowed. 

After, graduating with my first degree I took on a career within a state position.  I just could not resist the pay or benefits.  Every person within this agency is church going folks that take great pride in talking about Jesus on a daily basis.  At first, this was not a problem, I kept my head down and mouth shut, or I would simply smile and nod.  However, after about a year, I've had my fill of the Holier than thou comments that seem to feel like a stab to my heart.   

I didn't think having to hear about another's religion would take such a toll on me, but I can tell you every time I hear, about Jesus, heck just the word alone makes me cringe.  I've diligently tried to be as open minded as possible, but a person of a different thought process can only handle so much. 

I've gone so far as to nonchalantly give hints that I am not a believer in their religious views, but it seems everyone just thinks I am trying to be a comedian.   Therefore, I have kept up the 'comedy' act, it's helping by getting out my frustration, but it's still quite bothersome to me, especially when a few co-workers make comments about any other religious views not of their own, stating they will face judgment day.   It's about the time I head out for a cigarette or 5.  lol. 

Fact of the matter is this, if you're anything like me you will need some kind of vice in order to get through...at first, it's no big deal as your enjoying the money, but after awhile it truly gets mind numbing especially if your unable to give your views.  Just find something that can take your mind off the issues, and if you decided to work for the school, I wish you luck, patience, and the ability to bite your tongue often.

~Heather


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: Thought on August 13, 2010, 09:43:35 am
I'm not sure if it's laughable or sad, but these people stopped responding to me.  I sent my little 'walk with Jesus' information and got radio silence back.  I tried sending a thank you letter and got no response either.  So finally today I sent a 'did you ever fill the position' letter.  I got an automated response they're moving offices.  So I don't know.  Most likely it won't happen but I appreciate everyone's feedback.


Title: Re: Would You Swallow Jesus & Smile?
Post by: jpvanir on April 09, 2016, 01:04:29 am
I have no problem with Jesus he was a great man but the only problem is with his followers and his father who had forsaken him