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Title: The Truth About Fae
Post by: SoulSplat on January 29, 2008, 10:44:11 pm
POSTED BY ECLECTA MAR 15, 2006

I read somewhere recently when trying to get a better understanding of Fae, that they are prone to lying and are sometimes tricksters?  Is this fact or myth?


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: SoulSplat on January 29, 2008, 10:45:26 pm
REPLY BY NATASHA MAR 31, 2006

Tricksters yes, lying depends on the person really. Fae tend to enjoy playing pranks on people, but mostly are happy go-lucky glittery beings that would rather spend time chasing bubbles and whatnot than causing problems.

We can be very wishy-washy concerning cementing plans simply because Fae would rather be free than have a set schedule.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: SoulSplat on January 29, 2008, 10:47:28 pm
POSTED BY XAPHANIEL APR 11, 2006

i know as it goes with fairy folk the tales i was told as a child and then as an adult lol the scottish fairy folk were good to its peoples but as it goes there was alot of undertones not said in the stories and then later you find out that in the story that they norrmaly traped the hero or heroin in there land then theres full on ones telling of how they intentialy tricked its peoples into situations for there benifits.

one thing is that when you have asked for something and its given to you or put in your way its a thing never to say "thank you" aparantly its etiquette to tell them why your thankfull lol as it goes it works alot beter.

as for modern fae i havent met that many and been in there online company long enough to tell if there all tricksters lol sorry couldnt help it just going on about mythos and all

xaph


Title: Folklore Faeries aren't liars, they're just WIERD.
Post by: SoulSplat on January 29, 2008, 10:50:36 pm
POSTED BY ZERO AUG 1, 2006

The first interesting thing that one has to do is separate out medieval and Victorian fiction, which is only loosely based on traditional folklore -- the little "tinkerbell" faeries, the Shakespearean faeries with their wiles and rhymed couplets, etc.

Once that's done, the salient and common thread among almost all folk lore and history regarding Faeries is the quality of alienness. Faeries are almost as muddled a category as "vampires," but there are some interesting facts that can get sifted out to start with:

1 - the mythic history of Ireland treats the Fae as one of several competing nations warring over the island. They are described as having supernatural nature or abilities, but then again, so are some of the other competing nationalities, including other nonhumans and even humans. Some folks analysing the Book of Invasions are led to conculde that this was all metaphors for different *human* tribes, and all the business about the war with the Fae was actually a metaphor for some indigenous group who lost the war.

2 - the "little people" bit is under debate - did the ancient humans of Ireland really mean that they were short? Was this another euphamism or poetic device? Did they believe that the Fae were tall, short, or Variety Pack? Further murking up already-cloudy waters is the recent discovery of small-framed hominid skeletons in Indonesia, sparking debate as to whether Faerey legends are actuallyfolkloric mementos of a time when modern humans as we know them existed contemporaneously with societies of much smaller hominids:
http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,65492,00.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/10/041028144857.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

3 - the folklore surrounding Faeries demonstrates their alienness, in that encounters with Fae sometimes do not make sense and modern analyses often attribute the strange things that happen around Fae in these stories to "mischief" and "malice," but it's unclear as to whether it's just Fae being Fae and humans getting really confused. Things that don't confuse humans are impossible to navigate for the Fae, like not being able to find you if your clothes are inside-out.

4 - beyond alienness of culture or perception, Fae encounter stories have an element of *contamination* to the alienness - time works strangely around them-- seem like a familiar complaint of Otherkin, energy workers, psivamps, and UFO enthusiasts?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1588340635/sr=8-2/qid=1154489294/ref=sr_1_2/104-2613504-0283948?ie=UTF8

So you spend time with Faeries and you wind up spending more or lless time than you thought, sometimes a Rip-Van-Winkle amount..

Also, you can't go there and come back again, not without some major effort, and you can't eat their food or you become them. So different that sharing a meal will permanently contaminate you and make your substance of them and of their world. Merely seeing them in the woods can accidentally lead you to your death.

So, do they lie alot? over the years, this reputation for alienness translated in the literature to being lawyer-slick -- faeries were supposed to have to tell the truth and so get around it by mincing words.

Are they malicious or capricious? Again, the literature would have it so.

But the nature of faery-encounter stories in folklore really suggests that the ancients who originally talked about them really had no idea how they worked, or what they wanted.

There is no lore on how to interact with Faery culture, how to go to Faery, etc. It's all how to avoid Faeries, because that's what you did if you wanted to be able to predict anything in your life.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: SoulSplat on January 29, 2008, 10:53:04 pm
POSTED BY MERTICUS NOV 14, 2006

Realm Of Air

To all fae bearing winged, air is the element of choice. Every storm and breath of wind is their work, from the tiniest puff to the most terrifying gale. They often take the shapes of birds, or incorporate aspects of their design into their human forms and are particularly fond of birds' wings. Many speak the language of birds and sometimes teaching human speech to the birds. Air is a creative force, resulting in their intellectual versitily of air faeries, who work to stimulate inspiration and creativity. Fae who fly are the most evolved of the fae, having incorporating all aspects of the four elements. Wings are symbolic of air, legs of earth, their shimmering qualities of fire, and a shape shifting aspect represents water's fluidity. Added to these four, is the fifth magical element, moonlight.

In this section you will find: Slyphs, Trows, Phooka and Fachan

Realm Of Earth

The element of famed faery circles; earth fae are the spiritual force of nature. Residing deep in the earth, they can be found in barrows, rocks, roots, caves, caves, quarries and mine shafts.

Earth fae work in and maintain the physical structure of the earth. Because of their close relationship to metals and woods, the craftsmanship of earth faeries usually far supercedes that of humans.

I have divided the earth fae into two groups. Forest Fae and Mountain Fae.

Among the Forest Fae you will find: Pixies, Leprechauns, Brownies, Gnomes, Will'o'wisps, the Green Man, Bally Bogs and Boggarts.

Within the Mountain Fae reside: Goblins, Spriggans, Dwarfs and Trolls.

Realm Of Water

Running water is a favorite haunt of faery kind. Indeed, crossing through or over running water is a method by which their realm may be reached. Be warned that the size of the body of water is of little concern to the fae. Oceans, lakes, rivers, springs and pools are as likely as teardrops and raindrops to harbor faeries.

Water faeries heal and purify the earth. Their presence is typically communicated to humans through dreams.

Those calling the element of Water home are: Undines, Mermaids, Selkies, the Fir Darrig, Beansidhe, Leanan Sidhe, and Kelpies.

Realm Of Fire

Instilled with magical properties by many societies, fire is a natural element to assign faery phenomena. Pagan Holy Days such as Midsummer's Eve and Samain were renowned for fairy attentions, as they gathered around ceremonial flames. Hearths, in particular, served as homes for numerous types of faeries. Bringing wealth and gifts to their masters, they are excellent workers in farmyards, workshops, kennels, or stables. Should you be so lucky as to have one residing in your home, take care to provide prompt and proper gratitude. Fire spirits reflect the volatile nature of their element and can become quite hostile when they feel slighted.

Harbored by the element of Fire: Salamanders and Drakes.

Source:  http://thefae.freeservers.com/


Title: Elemental Fae
Post by: SoulSplat on January 29, 2008, 10:55:09 pm
REPLY BY LadyAnara MAR 3, 2006

Merticus, Just wanted too comment on your fae post, these are most oftenly the elemental faerie kinds, those who sometimes slip over into the "mundane realm" (more and more often as the veil and barriers recede). They differ greatly from other Otherkin reincarnated faerie.

(and elves) which i will post on a little bit later


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: wicthdragon on January 31, 2008, 12:32:53 am
I have a qustion are fae in human bodies or faekin' that  diffrent from fae who do not live on earth.? and also at the end of the day dose it even really matter aren't they still fae any way no matter the form or being on earth.?

not sure if the second part if this post was a qustion or more of a statement but i just figure it needed to be said thank you for your time,.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: SoulSplat on January 31, 2008, 09:32:47 am
Ah, is a rose just a rose. Is a cigar just a cigar? I think those cliches can apply here.:)

I think the more imprtant thing to take away are the many definitions of Fae. Different cultures have interpreted the "Fae" in different ways. Similar to the vampire.

Is it possible one culture saw something that had Fae qualities and labeled it Fae. And even though it was something new and different, the name just stuck. The same could be possible when talking about "off-world" fae.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: wicthdragon on February 05, 2008, 12:32:37 am
Ok i can dig that like  just because 'i am in human form dose not make me less  of a dragon or a  pheoinx or  vampire  .

just means  i am in human form is all.

but i do  get what ya mean basicly every one has diffrent takes  on what they think is the fae are .


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: NyteMuse on February 13, 2008, 05:28:29 pm
I have a qustion are fae in human bodies or faekin' that  diffrent from fae who do not live on earth.? and also at the end of the day dose it even really matter aren't they still fae any way no matter the form or being on earth.?

not sure if the second part if this post was a qustion or more of a statement but i just figure it needed to be said thank you for your time,.

*chuckles at the do not live on earth comment*  The fey really are all around, just kind of on different planes, so I don't really think of that as not-on-earth.

At any rate, if you're getting at what I think you're getting at, yeah, we're the same.  There are lots of different reasons why beings incarnate...for most of the fey (at least the ones I'm acquainted with), it's either for fun/to screw around, or because fey are really sensual creatures and have a lot of fun with the "sins of the flesh" *grin*  Except for the few who had it done as a punishment, but even so, it's not a huge deterrent, so not used all that much.

And, as for the lying comment, most fey will not lie.  Your word is your bond in faerie, and to be caught outright lying is to be foresworn and cast out of faerie.  We do spend a lot of time and energy on word games and lawyer-speak and dancing around the truth so much that you'll think it's a lie, but nearly all of the fey I know will not knowingly flat out LIE.  If you think they have, they're either already outcast and don't really care about faerie anymore, or they've actually not lied, you just interpreted as such.  Or, if they really and truly believe it's truth, it's not a lie.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: Nata-Chan on July 23, 2008, 11:22:21 am
Fae are still around and they do take the form of humans. Most fae are "halfbreed" now because the fae would mate with humans. They are not the "little people" that they are made out to be in myths. Fae are also very mischievous as the myths say.. that is one of the things that are true. The whole bread and bells deal is not, although the not liking silver thing is. Fae are "allergic" to silver, it blocks their senses to magic. The "wing" myth is also untrue. Fae are able to use their magic to fly.... well full blooded fae are. There are different classes of far too.... like elven-fae, blood fae(kind of like vampires but at the same time not), dark fae, and light fae. Fae are also very..... sexual I guess you could say. As NyteMuse said they like the "sins of the flesh". Also the lying part is some what true... as I said it depends on if the fae is full blooded or not. The half breeds tend to lye at points because they have human in them.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: NyteMuse on July 24, 2008, 05:16:15 am
Fae are still around and they do take the form of humans. Most fae are "halfbreed" now because the fae would mate with humans.

I think that might depend on one's definition of "halfbreed".  Yes, fey did reproduce with humans, but faerie "genetics" traditionally work differently than the genetics we know of.  Often the dominant or more powerful "genepool" would win out, so a half-sidhe, half-something else baby would not display attributes of the non-sidhe parentage and would just appear to be sidhe.  Made it easier to ignore the cross-breeding down the generations *grin*

They are not the "little people" that they are made out to be in myths.

Actually, the terms fey, fae, fairy, faery, and faerie have been used to refer to...well, a large umbrella of different beings.  Some fey are wee ones, others are human-sized, others even larger.

The whole bread and bells deal is not, although the not liking silver thing is. Fae are "allergic" to silver, it blocks their senses to magic.

Actually, iron is more commonly a deterrent than silver in the traditional lore.  Manmade metals and materials also (anything not found in nature) can cause havoc.

BTW, what do you mean by "the whole bread and bells deal"?

The "wing" myth is also untrue.

Mm...I dunno about that.  True, the sidhe don't generally have wings, but demi-fey and pixies do, and they are also considered creatures of faerie :)

Also the lying part is some what true... as I said it depends on if the fae is full blooded or not. The half breeds tend to lye at points because they have human in them.

I'm curious about your source on this one.  Oftentimes it seems like fey might lie, but more often we just kind of find a loophole or "pixie" out of a deal by a semantic argument.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: Nata-Chan on July 24, 2008, 08:56:26 am
The bread and bells thing I read somewhere....  I don't remember where but yeah. The little people thing..... well most far are human size now because of such dilution in the blood... thats what I was gettin g at in the "halfbreed" thing. The lying part I know is true because I know a Fae. She lives in South Carolina and we are very close. She does do the whole loophole thing but she does lie on occasion.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: Nata-Chan on July 24, 2008, 09:56:01 am
There are two main types of Fae. These are pure Fae and half-fae. Pure Fae are pure energy, like light. Half-fae are humans who are basically half-human and half-fae.

Pure Fae ? They are pure energy as stated above and if seen they appear as sparkling lights or blobs of color. As the Fae are connected to plants you can always find them there. If you start communicating with them they can take form. Their form comes from your own mind. So some people see them as aliens and others see them as tiny pixies and others see them as the great Eldanar (elves) or Pan.

The Fae can be very childlike as they live only in the present. Also they think together as a whole rather than separate as we do. They also have Queens and Kings which are a group of Fae who all come together and make up this being. Which can then scatter into sparkling lights as they separate.

Fae Races- There are many different races. The sidhe, who are the old ones. Elves, pixies, dwarves, satyrs, fauns, pucks, pookas, mermaids, sylphs, dryads and many others. There are books written on many of these races so I won?t go into them right now. The races are often connected with certain elements. Elements meaning Air, Fire, Water, Earth. But do not mistake them for Elementals. Those are different beings.

Plants - They are one with plants and all plants have the Fae with them. It can be one Fae or a family of them. They work with plant, helping them to survive and connect them to other plants. By communicating with your plants you are talking to the Fae and your emotions towards the plant with your communication can help the Fae help the plant. You can get plants to grow like crazy. You can also communicate with the Fae and they can tell you what the plant can do, such as healing or for food. You can also use the spirit energy of the plant through communication with the Fae. This allows you to use the plant without it's physical presence being there.

A good example is: You could call the Fae who works with sage to bring the spirit of sage so that you could purify your house. To call the Fae, singing to them, visualization, offerings of alcohol and sweet foods often work well. Being closer to nature always makes it easier. Since the Fae and plants are all in harmony they can have a powerful effect on us. Especially when it comes to healing us. This is because we have the ability to create things that aren't in harmony. This disharmony is what makes most of us sick in mind, body and spirit.

If you start communicating with heir form comes from your on mind. So some people see them as aliens and others see them as tiny pixies and others see them as the great Eldanar (elves) or Pan. The Fae can be very childlike as they live only in the present. They think together as a whole rather than separate as we do. They also have Queens or Kings which are a group of Fae who all come together and make up this being. Which can then scatter into sparkling lights as they separate.

Half-fae: We are talking about people, human beings who are half Fae. Often called having the blood of the Fae within you. What this m is someone who has created oneness within themselves and thus becomes in harmony with everything around them. They become magic and effect their environment and the people around them without doing anything special, just being themselves. Their harmony starts making things around them move towards harmony. These people can connect very easily to other people and their environment.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: NyteMuse on July 24, 2008, 06:20:59 pm
Also they think together as a whole rather than separate as we do.

*raised eyebrow*  Um, could you provide a source on this?

Half-fae: We are talking about people, human beings who are half Fae. Often called having the blood of the Fae within you. What this m is someone who has created oneness within themselves and thus becomes in harmony with everything around them. They become magic and effect their environment and the people around them without doing anything special, just being themselves. Their harmony starts making things around them move towards harmony. These people can connect very easily to other people and their environment.

Semantic difference, I guess.  When I refer to something has "half-something", I'm usually thinking on a measurable genetic level.  Since we have no preternatural biologists, I don't think of fey genetics.  I can see being part-fey on a spiritual level (i.e. Otherkin)...be pretty hypocritical if I didn't, but I don't know if I believe in actual fey blood.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: Nata-Chan on July 25, 2008, 09:06:10 am
Hm.... honestly I just read through this... it's off of a website.... and I don't remember which one.

Well I do agree with you on that some what. But the not believeing in the blood.... well that's a little different.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: NyteMuse on July 25, 2008, 06:12:44 pm
Hm.... honestly I just read through this... it's off of a website.... and I don't remember which one.

You might want to be careful about that...I've seen a lot of the supposed informational websites out there on fey/fae/faerie/faery/fairy, and a lot of them aren't work the bytes they're written in.  Heck, a lot of the books aren't worth the paper and ink.  There are a few good books...Katharine Briggs' encyclopedia for example, but I've never seen what I consider a good comprehensive website on fey lore.  I personally have never heard of the hive mind thing you referenced earlier.  That's not to say it doesn't necessarily exist (there are more things on Heaven and Earth...), but it's so far from my individual experience I'd want to check the source as credible before I accepted it as a reasonable alternative.  The internet and easy-web-page-creators have given a voice to everyone, no matter how wrong they are, so one REALLY has to be careful to check sources on the internet.  There may be certain subtypes of fey that have, or seem to have, a sort of hive mind, but it does not apply to all.

Well I do agree with you on that some what. But the not believeing in the blood.... well that's a little different.

That's OK.  We can disagree and still play nicely :)


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: Etheros Twilight on January 13, 2009, 06:34:58 pm
UGH....I'm glad the silver trick was mentioned....someone close to me is to Fae what i am to imps....a freaking beacon...and naturally because we are close...they LOVE to fuck with me....

They are quite mischievous little things...or at least the ones that mess with me are...they love taking things when im looking for them and making them reappear either a long time later, and/or in another unexpected location...(seriously...wierd things like my shoe on top of the TV after an hour trying to find it...try explaining THAT to a teacher when ure late)

Also...i find that they do have some kind of interconnected mind....or at least these do...because if i get my hands on one...i can sense reactions from all of them....(though normally i don't have to get sadistic...just a nice little fireball is the extent that they usually tolerate before returning stolen goods.....though its a whole different matter to ACTUALLY hit them....they're quite evasive...but i have not found em to be much on retaliation....they just pull more pranks)

From what i can surmise from observation they may be pixies or something to that effect....they're not rooted in any physical place like plants or anything like that...but rather just like to phase in and out of our realm and theirs...


Also...does anyone have data on some beasts from the farie realm...i encountered a few and would like some data before any more come...(theyre really annoying).....i encountered two...

First one is like a white dog....kinda like a Pomeranian, only slightly higher than my knee. its growl was audible on a physical level....i thought it was a guardian or familiar...but its energy felt more like fairies than anything else. its bite, however is not that impressive (ive seen more jaw power in a Yorkie...). It did, however have a odd magickal attack, in which it howls with white light (i expected it to be a immediate blast like a hellhound) which then envelops the target in that white light and prevents energy flow. (they are weak to "physical" astral attacks, however)

The second was like a white fox with a black head...only elongated to about 2-3 times the natural length....its movements are aerial yet fluid, which is unusual. it seemed water element, as it was unaffected by "physical" attacks, and just regenerated back to its shape and form no matter how i sliced it, diced it and blasted it.....its attacks are usually involving its claws or teeth, with the exception of a energetic attack originating from its eyes. the only weakness i found in that thing was electric energy....it does NOT like anything from magnetism to electric lighting, to electric energy attacks.

Also of note, the second beast seems to have a passive relative, which shares the same form with the variance being a white head. It was not aggressive so i have no data on attack patterns or attributes, but it seemed to be quite intelligent.


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: holyk on February 10, 2009, 06:37:17 pm
Were there any markings on the dog? Specifically brown of any shade? It sounds familiar, but I'm not sure what it's called. If it has brown spots and/or markings, I think I may know what it is. With certain markings it's definitely a type of astral dog (XD obviously), associated with holy energies but generally more passive. It likes to intimidate people, growling and such, when they're doing something "wrong". It doesn't come out unless there's a problem of some sort, and then its demeanour should give away its intents. It's not uncommon to see one in a vision, whether whining or growling, when something is awry in a person's life. The stance would depend on the situation, and what the person's role in the situation is.

Hope this helps. A friend (much more prone to visions than myself) explained this to me last year. I can get back to her with more specifics, if this sounds right. But it is mostly white, and not very vicious, as per your description. But it always has the brown markings (though I'm not sure how dark of a brown they are. I know they can be tan, but it might also manifest as dark brown.)


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: Etheros Twilight on February 11, 2009, 12:48:21 pm
This one was pure white...no brown in it....it wasn't very aggressive at first other than growling...though it responded to my precaution with aggression...either way it has not shown up since then...considering the circumstances myself and a friend agree that these things were sent by someone, which i seriously hope, as it should be a lesson to them what happened to those two.

...Besides...with how versatile the fox was...not to mention aggressive....I think my little aggressor will leave me alone now...XP


Title: Re: The truth about Fae
Post by: holyk on February 11, 2009, 01:41:25 pm
Oh... yeah, then it might have been sent by someone. =P Solid seems easier to manage than marked, for things like that. And it was certainly not what I was thinking of, then. Never had any clue about the fox, though.

Incidentally, does anyone know of short (1 foot abouts) critters that like to change up forest paths? Like, they'll take a path that you know leads to a different area, and bend it so it goes somewhere else? I had a stressful encounter with them one night. I was looking for a specific area of wood where I was going to meditate, and I could sense little critters in the woods. They stayed out of sight, but the woods were especially quiet that night. Stole a fricking pin of mine, and a glove. Found the glove later, but not my pin. It wasn't very expensive, but it was just annoying.


Title: Re: The truth About Fae
Post by: Stiles Mornay on February 19, 2009, 05:13:13 pm
Fae, eh? I've seen plenty of fairy rings among the grass before, pretty interesting how they do that. A couple of my friends claim them to be thieves of certain things, such as my quartz specimens that vanished and never to be found again. I'm kind of doubtful its in their nature to steal stuff, though.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Etheros Twilight on February 20, 2009, 10:45:20 am
lol...Last i heard they don't like to steal....They "borrow" XP....Of course what they borrow from me i usually have to blast them to get back...but at least it works....until they get ticked at me and steal more stuff...


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Stiles Mornay on February 20, 2009, 04:44:35 pm
Weird. ::shrugs:: No reason for me to go after them  to get my quartz back anyway. Last thing I need is an army of Fae after my ass.

Those attackers up there.. sounds very cool, BTW. I encountered a dog-like spirit back then years ago on the Turks & Caicos Islands. It took on the form of a flaming dog, all blue fire with red fire eyes; it walked on the surface of the ocean in one of the beaches. Didn't seem to be aggressive, just slightly curious. Since then, I've encountered a fair number of such spirits in different forms, some aggressive and some very friendly.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Etheros Twilight on February 20, 2009, 07:44:02 pm
Unfortunately canines are only related as such...they have the same general shape...need more data to confirm a link between the two species....perhaps theres a link to hellhounds with the fire...but i doubt it..they usually are red fire if they ignite.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: holyk on February 20, 2009, 09:35:27 pm
I've been browsing around the web... and that fox sounds like a construct. Don't know who had a grudge against you, but someone wasn't very happy. The dog... sounds like it's made of an odd form of energy. I don't know if I'd be able to identify what that was. It sounds like something was commanding it, but unless you're good at registering these things, we won't know for sure if it acted of its own or on orders.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Stiles Mornay on February 21, 2009, 05:47:25 pm
::shrugs:: At that time, I wasn't aware and wasn't trained just yet. If I was, then I'd have done a deep-scan on the flaming dog.

Anyway, I think this is straying from the appropriate topic already..


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: The Sentinel on February 23, 2009, 03:50:30 pm
POSTED BY ECLECTA MAR 15, 2006

I read somewhere recently when trying to get a better understanding of Fae, that they are prone to lying and are sometimes tricksters?  Is this fact or myth?

According to lore, fae are in capable of telling an outright lie (knowingly). However, they are very much interested in playing mind games and tricking people. After all, while they cannot lie to you, they might twist the truth. Also, never, ever enter into contracts with them since you will inevitably lose - they are masters of such nonsense and make the most slimy lawyers look clean as a whistle when it comes to inserting little things here and there that you might miss.

Having read over some of the older posts, someone claimed that they tend to be happy glitter-bugs and I would like to strongly oppose that notion. Pixies and some of the smaller fae may be like that but the sidhe are by no means glitter bugs nor are they smiley or giddy creatures. People would do well to remember that the faerie folk break into two courts: Seelie and Unseelie. Now, despite the notions constantly tossed about, they are not 'good' and 'evil.' According to lore they break up the rule of the year with the Seelie ruling Spring and Summer and the Unseelie taking dominion in the Fall (at Samhain) and relinquishing control during the spring equinox (Lughnasdh? Or was that in February...). The Unseelie tend to be fae related to darkness, cold, death, nightmares, dead leaves, frost, snow, the moon, and so on. They tend to be dark creatures and prefer shadows to light, hence their rule during the darker months of the year. Seelie fae are associated with light, warmth, sunlight, flowers, children's dreams and so forth. Typically they are depicted as wearing floral wreathes and the like as well as having children amongst them.

Neither court is more or less malicious than the other, both are equally dangerous. Fae have an intricate system of manners and ritual of sorts and gods help you if you accidentally violate them. Unfortunately, a mortal being could spend a lifetime amongst them and never truly understand all the rules since there are so many and the fae mind is almost utterly alien to that of a non-fae. The reason for this, largely, is that they are immortal creatures and after so long they become bored with sex, food, and other such physical pleasures. However, art and music are redolent in fae culture simply because they are always changing and since they glamour things, artisans must compensate for the lack of delicate skill required with the extravagance of their creations.

With fae, the coin of the realm lies in favors for, after all, what good are material things to creatures made of dreams? They can create jewels, gold, and all other such things at a whim so physical goods mean little. Though all fae like shiny things to some extent. However, favors are exceptionally valuable, since fae - once their oath is given - will inevitably obey the words the utter. Unfortunately, they do not listen to the spirit of the words. Again, those without experience in the field and even those with experience in the field ought to use extreme caution when agreeing to anything. Particularly so, never leave an open-ended deal. Never trade 'a favor' for information now because they will inevitably tap into their most onerous side and cause you to do the most loathesome tasks possible. Or things that you will deeply regret doing. I cannot stress enough how dangerous this is and I must warn against any sort of dealing with the fae in the terms of contracts or any exchange.

The bane of all faerie creatures is cold iron. It damages the glamour in them and burns them terribly. If you have a problem with the creatures this is a way of preventing them from entering or accessing your home and area but it is not recommended because they will likely develop true venom for you and in that case you may find yourself in more trouble later. Salt lining a doorway and lintel and so on will prevent them from entering a room without necessarily causing them pain or insulting them - that is a vastly more improved methodology of dealing with an 'infestation' of faeries or any other metaphysical creature (with some exceptions.)

This information comes from a study of faerie stories (mostly Celtic in origin) and personal experience. While I do not profess to be an otherkin, directly, I think I have fae in my blood somewhere. It's not a matter of spirit, but being a fully blooded Celt it is inevitable that somewhere in my heritage the fae mixed with my family's line somehow. I have also had extensive dealings and interaction with the fae, enough to have learned why you do not make pacts and so on without being very, very careful.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: wicthdragon on February 28, 2009, 04:43:47 pm
OK wow This all of this is even more ' helpful then before and heck i could even relate to some of this with my people's and wow particularly with what you said in how you see them to be in your mind is way cool' and  makes sense and i realized something clicked inside me and i was like wow .


Now i am sure every Fae and people would have different takes on this and I would have to take everything with a grain of salt but ; in the end  very cool either way thanks for clearing things up and for the info every one.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Kazarine on July 21, 2009, 06:58:03 am
Very interesting :) When I was younger I could have sworn I was of Fae. Maybe I was simply a mischievous, sly, happy and easily distracted child with too much energy for a "normal" signature, lol. However, even though I've Awakened to my Vampiric self a few years ago, I still have Fae-like tendencies, and wonder if it's not a crossover. This thread has been helpful in my wonderings :) Thanks!

Ah. About lying.. assuming I was/am part Fae, I've always had tendencies to be cryptic, dance around topics with specific wording, and stretch the truth just a tiny bit, but... more and more these things have proved to be counterproductive, because I believe the truth should be open and available... mostly, lol. So I've been "righting" myself for some time. Will I ever learn? Who knows, haha XD


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Maloryn on July 25, 2009, 10:44:28 am
Random divergence:

The term fae is possibly even more over-used than the term vampire...

Fae = strange / otherworldly as an adjective
Fae = Fae/ Fairy as a type of spirit or energy being often admired by or revered by pagans/ wiccans/ etc
Fae = Faerie (sp preference?) tradition Wiccans
Fae = a subcategory of Otherkin
Fae = a mythological creature often used in fiction, often divided into even more subgroups (Sidhe, Eldritch, Elf, etc.)

Just spent a week camping with some Faerie tradition folks and saw this thread and it made me realize how potentially confusing the issue could get if one person is talking about one kind of fae and someone else talking about another...

---Mal
who's glad he's not a Fae as being a vamp causes enough conversational confusion :)


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: paindancer on September 25, 2009, 09:00:44 pm
*grumbles*

fae.. I dun like em! 

They like to play tricks on being who try very hard to follow the rules.   Grr.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: NyteMuse on July 26, 2010, 10:25:41 pm
BTW, The Sentinel is my new hero :) One of the better compilations I've seen of fey-related info as of late. Bravo!

With fae, the coin of the realm lies in favors for, after all, what good are material things to creatures made of dreams? They can create jewels, gold, and all other such things at a whim so physical goods mean little.

True and not true. Manifestation has its limits, and tends to work more readily on natural items. As a result, man-made (or at least man-assembled) things are valued in negotiations. If you want to leave an offering for fey spirits around your home, bread with honey and milk/cream or whiskey work well (sometimes depends on the spirit in question).

The bane of all faerie creatures is cold iron. It damages the glamour in them and burns them terribly. If you have a problem with the creatures this is a way of preventing them from entering or accessing your home and area but it is not recommended because they will likely develop true venom for you and in that case you may find yourself in more trouble later. Salt lining a doorway and lintel and so on will prevent them from entering a room without necessarily causing them pain or insulting them - that is a vastly more improved methodology of dealing with an 'infestation' of faeries or any other metaphysical creature (with some exceptions.)

Other helpful suggestion: if you think you're being glamoured or deceived, turn an item of clothing inside out. It changes the appearance and thus breaks the glamour and you should be able to see the truth of things.

Just spent a week camping with some Faerie tradition folks

*ears perk up* You speaking of Faery Wicca folk? Cuz there's another branch out there, Anderson Feri Tradition (and some people DO still spell it "Faerie"). Not Wicca, but it is a Witchcraft tradition.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Aurora Belladonna on May 31, 2012, 07:47:20 pm
Speaking as a Fae, and to the op,
I can tell you that i am mischevious and playful, i enjoy a good practical joke. But i dont make it a habit to lie. Like any other kin, or vampire, or normal person, we fae are as varied and different from one another as night from day at times. Not all of us are mischevious, or tricksters. Some of us are. Not all of us are liars. Some of us are.
Its impossible to categorize us into one umbrella term.
As for being in a human body, arent we all? I believe that its the soul that has a body, not the body that has a soul. The soul is eternal, and immortal and it is the soul that is otherkin. The soul can of course affect the body, but tbh the body doesnt matter in the long run. It is simply a vessel for the current incarnation. Of course this is just my humble opinion.
Bella


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Maenad on June 22, 2012, 07:30:45 am
It seems to me anyway that someone can label someone a "fae" like people back in the day use to label people they didn't like "witches" especially with they tricking bit and not trusting them. I think there are certain things that contextualize us, like I'm a Maenad and need wine to be ok physically, there should be a separation between that and biology. Like I'd never claim to be like Maryann Forrester (True Blood) though mythologically speaking she does fit what a Maenad would be. Personally I think it's dangerous to assume magical thinking, just because there are some areas science doesn't get yet doesn't mean it won't in the future. 


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Aptrgangr on January 27, 2013, 04:38:41 am
I agree with these statements.

I'm a vampire, I don't claim any other odd state of being but, I have a friend here in Portland who is most definitely faery, as much as I am vampire. When we met we both recognized each other, which was shocking to me. Se puts off scads of energy as a normal thing, just being herself and while I do not energy feed consciously,meeting AROUND HER energizes me similar to a blood feeding. She has a way of getting anything she wants, just... Gets it, and although I can do similar things, I get what I want mp because I will it, I push against people's wills, she more draws them in.

Pretty much everyone becomes infatuated with her, including my ex when he met her, which, is common amongst her and the other faery I've met. She is much less dark than the first one I recognized, but recognizes she could have gone dark early on, recognized it was an addictive feeling and alluring.

We had pizza the other night, discussed many things and it's just a joy to be with her. I see her as she is and she sees what I am and it's simpatico. She's not afraid of me or my "presence" as human people are and it's also delightful to be myself and not feel fearful emotions rolling off the people I'm with. She has told me some profound things about myself that I had not considered before and can -see- as well as I can into other's auras/energies.

My experience with fairies is only a couple right now and I'm not quick to label people that. I either see it or I don't. It's not hard to see though once you've learned to recognize the traits and will miss being able to visit her once I'm in Atlanta but we will keep in touch and perhaps I'll discover others there.

As a side note, I do NOT feel the "fairy pagans" are often the real deal. I've been around plenty of witches and a lot of the younger ones like to play dress up fairies much in the same way some of the goths like to play dress up vampires. A pair of big butterfly wings doesn't make you faery, it makes you playful ...and possibly promiscuous... My two cents.

-Aptrgangr

Speaking as a Fae, and to the op,
I can tell you that i am mischevious and playful, i enjoy a good practical joke. But i dont make it a habit to lie. Like any other kin, or vampire, or normal person, we fae are as varied and different from one another as night from day at times. Not all of us are mischevious, or tricksters. Some of us are. Not all of us are liars. Some of us are.
Its impossible to categorize us into one umbrella term.
As for being in a human body, arent we all? I believe that its the soul that has a body, not the body that has a soul. The soul is eternal, and immortal and it is the soul that is otherkin. The soul can of course affect the body, but tbh the body doesnt matter in the long run. It is simply a vessel for the current incarnation. Of course this is just my humble opinion.
Bella



Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Darklilone on July 12, 2013, 12:53:01 pm
I apologize for a bit of necro-posting but considering the thread is about fae, and I noticed a couple articles posted in the beginning, I'd like to share something that I put together some time ago, in hopes it proves useful for anyone:

The term Fae tends to be a bit of a broad term. Here I will try to simplify the complexity as best I can.
*Please keep in mind that accurate information may vary from person to person and from resource to resource.


When most people hear "Fae" they think, Fairy, right?
Well what are Fae really?

First, let us define Fae.

According to Wikipedia:

Fae, is simply another term for Fairy.
A fairy (also faery, faerie, fay, fae; euphemistically wee folk, good folk, people of peace, fair folk, etc.)[1] is a type of mythical being or legendary creature, a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural or preternatural.
Fairies resemble various beings of other mythologies, though even folklore that uses the term fairy offers many definitions. Sometimes the term describes any magical creature, including goblins or gnomes: at other times, the term only describes a specific type of more ethereal creature.

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairy

According to MythicalCreaturesGuide.com:

In the English Language fey means otherwordly, able to see the future, or touched in the head.
- http://www.mythicalcreaturesguide.com/page/Fae


It can be gathered that while Fairies are Fae, not all Fae are Fairies. Fae tend to be very nature-oriented creatures, having a parrellel existance in this, our physical world, and in a "magickal" (Subtle/Non-phsyical) Plane.
- While commonly thought to be mischevious and playful (primarily Fairies), this is not the case for all.



Some entities that may fall under the term "Fae" are (but not limited to):
List includes kin-types & mythical creatures
  • Fairies
  • Angels
  • Elves
  • Nymphs
  • Pixies
  • *Succubi
  • Elementals
  • Gnomes
  • Ogres
  • Giants
  • Mer-folk
  • Genies (Jinn)
  • Dryads

*Succubus suggested as Fae type via pop-culture. See SyFy series Lost Girl (http://www.showcase.ca/lostgirl/)
[/list]




Specific Resources to/for/of Fae:
Some of these links may reference more toward varying myths and fantasy than the realistic perspectives, Keep an open mind and a grain of salt handy. Every bit can be useful.

http://www.mythicalcreaturesguide.com/page/Fae
http://thefae.freeservers.com/
http://main.otherkinalliance.org/articles/specific-otherkin/the-seven-roads-to-faery/
http://main.otherkinalliance.org/articles/specific-otherkin/elf-my-past/
http://main.otherkinalliance.org/articles/specific-otherkin/kabouters/
http://immortalones.com/otherkin/fae-elven-mer-folk/
OtherkinAlliance.org Forum section Elementals, Elves & Fae (http://forum.otherkinalliance.org/index.php?board=13.0)(must join to view)
http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/spiritsong/WhoAreFae.html
http://s4.zetaboards.com/Land_of_Incantre/topic/8464257/1/
http://conmyth.wikia.com/wiki/The_Fae



Fae Courts
Fae, like other creatures, are often categorized as Dark, Light, or Neutral. For Fae, this puts them into specifically termed Courts.

Major Courts are:
  • Seelie (Light)
  • Unseelie (Dark)


Some believe in breaking down the courts further*:
  • Winter
  • Summer
  • Spring
  • Autumn

(reference: OtherkinAlliance - The Summer & Winter Courts (http://forum.otherkinalliance.org/index.php?topic=2343.0) by "Verde")

*This is a new concept to me, personally. More information or better explanation to come as more information becomes available.

Further Information on Courts & Classifications:
OtherkinAlliance - On The Fae, by "airforcegrrl" (http://forum.otherkinalliance.org/index.php?topic=429.0)
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fey/20021213a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifications_of_fairies



Fae groups

Fae are either "Trooping" or "Solitary" creatures. Often communities are overseen by a King and Queen.



Fae Otherkin
Fae-Kin for short.

Fae-kin are simply humans, identifying as otherkin (People who feel that they are in some way not entirely human), who believe their kin-type to be of a Fae variety.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Tensou Akebimaru on July 12, 2013, 02:06:09 pm
Here is everything anyone needs to know about Fae.

1. They want to enrapture and ensnare humans.
2. They have no cares for anyone or anything beyond themselves and their agendas.
3. They are incapable of lying. However, they are masters of double-speak.
4. Never bargain with Fae. You will always get the bad end of the deal.
5. No Fae is trustworthy. This includes the lowliest Pixies, all the way to the Leanansidhe.
6. No Fae has a corporeal form. They can create a body, but it is only temporary.
7. Unless someone here was first conceived in the realm of Dream, nobody posting on this thread is actually Fae. There is a difference between being Fae and Fae-born.
8. Never fight a Fae. You will lose every time.
9. Never accept a gift from a Fae. You will be indebted to them for as long as they wish you to be.
10. Never converse, talk, communicate, contact, look at, listen to, or trust a true Fae.


Fae are not benevolent, nor are they malignant. They are self-centered and mischievous.


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: daeges-eage on December 18, 2013, 05:53:01 am
This is rather late and I'm terribly sorry to be intruding on this thread with a slight diversion of topic, but I was wondering if anyone here could direct me to some books/websites/people/anything which might be able to help me determine whether I am a fae or not? I recently met this group of people, and a very significant person, who are all very aware of the supernatural world, and all of them are dead certain I am at least part fae.

If you request their reasoning I will gladly list them, but I'd rather not bore anyone with details they don't wish to read.

Thank you :)


Title: Re: The Truth About Fae
Post by: Tensou Akebimaru on December 19, 2013, 12:45:51 am
WiteRavyn

Those people are bloody crazy enough to openly deal with Fae. They probably have more specific information beyond the obvious, "Don't talk to, look at, listen to, or even be remotely in the vicinity of Fae".