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Title: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Jevea on January 19, 2008, 10:21:29 pm
Some think that because I say I am a Christian I can not be a true vampire. Untrue! I have always known that God made me different. I have a firm belief that He does not make mistakes. To me God makes us humans, and that is what we are humans, in many different ways. What would the world be without different colors and shapes. So when I say I am a vampire I say it with much reverence to my Creator. I go to church and worship Him as much as I can. I also worship in nature because He made everything that is in the world. My up bringing in both the Native American ways and Southern Baptist ways have given me a balance in my life. Some would think that they contradict each other but if you really look deep inside them they don't. Now I must say this.....I do not go around speaking of the fact that I am a vampire to my Christian friends. You ask why? It is very complicated to explain. Because of the closed mindedness of the baptist churches here where I live it is just easier not to. I have several Christian/Vampire friends that I talk to on the net. I have yet to meet one in person but would love to. We have even joked around about starting our own church.  ;) But I am proud to say that I am a Christian and a vampire no matter if anyone else agrees with me or not. I'd love to hear from others who follow the same path as I. It would be nice to know you.

Oh and let me say this....I respect all beliefs. I do not judge. It is not my place to judge you.


Title: Re: Yes I am a Christian.
Post by: Kerri on January 29, 2008, 03:28:01 pm
First off, I respect anyone who doesn't bend for the sake of taking the easy way out. Go you. I do have to note however that I believe some things are meant to be unknown to humanity, and that perhaps human is not necessarily as human does. Regardless of however this world came to be, we discover new aspects of it with each passing day, and eventually we will discover things about ourselves and reality as it were that will change everything we believe to be real. I believe the purpose of life is to learn. What would the purpose be in living if we have nothing left to learn? I do think that religion was once our science and now science has become our religion. And it's unfortunate because this science changes everyday, leaving us with little more than uncertainty. When it comes to the unexplained(and everything is ultimately unexplained) it is best to come to our own conclusions, thus the belief system is born. And we all have our own around here, yours are no less or more accepted than anyone else here. And remember, until we can die and come back saying "hey jews were right" it's all a shot in the dark anyway.


Title: Re: Yes I am a Christian.
Post by: anamcara on January 29, 2008, 04:21:14 pm
I definitely support what others believe - for truly none of can know the "Answer".  We can hope others will respect our beliefs in turn.  Tolerance is a good thing! 

It's obvious you both respect and allow for diversity in what we find a suitable interpretation of Creation.

So many different belief systems exist yet they tend to meet at many points.  Even then, how we believe is markedly different from others who believe as we do.  Creation goes beyond what the human mind can comprehend.  Sometimes (not always) when we put a name to it, we limit how it is reflected in our life.  As the saying goes, Perception is reality.

I try not to put a name to what I believe.  When asked, I say I'm pagan.  Because I worship the many facets of Creation by connecting with a handful of the Old Gods and the divinity that can be found in all of us who are but expressions of Creation ourselves.

Okay, I'm done rambling.  :)  There are just some things we can't know, so we find what feels right to us.

~ rhonda


Title: Re: Yes I am a Christian.
Post by: Kerri on February 03, 2008, 07:55:34 pm
If nothing else it should be apparent that you're welcome here, considering you're posting in the Christian board the community has provided.


Title: Re: Yes I am a Christian.
Post by: simblecimba on April 01, 2008, 03:00:55 pm
First off, I respect anyone who doesn't bend for the sake of taking the easy way out. Go you. I do have to note however that I believe some things are meant to be unknown to humanity, and that perhaps human is not necessarily as human does. Regardless of however this world came to be, we discover new aspects of it with each passing day, and eventually we will discover things about ourselves and reality as it were that will change everything we believe to be real. I believe the purpose of life is to learn. What would the purpose be in living if we have nothing left to learn? I do think that religion was once our science and now science has become our religion. And it's unfortunate because this science changes everyday, leaving us with little more than uncertainty. When it comes to the unexplained(and everything is ultimately unexplained) it is best to come to our own conclusions, thus the belief system is born. And we all have our own around here, yours are no less or more accepted than anyone else here. And remember, until we can die and come back saying "hey jews were right" it's all a shot in the dark anyway.


My name is simbleCimba and I was born as a Christian. I do not like the Christian religion because they burned witches on the stake. I do not believe that Christianity has anything to do with the Pagan beliefs.


Title: Re: Yes I am a Christian.
Post by: Ragsolith on April 01, 2008, 03:14:11 pm
Looks like this post was Necro'd so I thought I'd add my bit.

Jevea, I think that is so awesome. Being a Christian and a vampire, I really don't find a lot of others like me (especially Southern Baptist ones!) so it's awesome to know that there are others out there who aren't closed minded. :D


Title: Re: Yes I am a Christian.
Post by: NyteMuse on April 02, 2008, 01:46:55 pm
my name is simbleCimba and I was born as a christian I do not like the christian religion because they burned witches to the stake I do not believe that christian has anything to do with the pagan beliefs

Hm...isn't it a little unfair to judge an entire religion based on the actions of some of the followers?  Yes, the lore is a little not-happy as well, but being Christian does not mean one has to follow the Bible literally (in fact, it's difficult to do so in modern society, if not impossible).  I know plenty of good Christians who don't try and regularly kill me, one in fact who is studying some elements of witchcraft with the blessing of her priest, so it really does kind of depend on the sect, IMO.  I was born into a Catholic family and baptized, so I could still technically claim Catholicism as a religion, but I prefer following pagan paths.  Doesn't mean I hate Christianity now, just not really my thing.  YHVH and I have no problems, it's His followers I have to avoid.

As for the relationship between Christians and Pagans...*chuckle* the Christians co-opted a lot of holidays and iconography from the Pagans in an effort to make the changeover from Paganism to Christianity smoother on the populace.  There might not be a whole lot of Christianity in Paganism, but there sure is a hell of a lot of Paganism in Christianity  ;)


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: The Sentinel on February 23, 2009, 12:12:09 pm
As a side note, the term "pagan" does not actually mean (contrary to modern adaptation) the druidic/wiccan/witchcraft sort of religions. It actually means, by definition "from the country." Now this term was coined by the Christians and Jews (I believe) in the first and second centuries A.D. to reference the non-Judeo-Christian beliefs of the Romans and other religions. Christianity was seen as a religion of urbanity (that is to say, cities) so those that lived in rural areas and ascribed to pre-Axial religions (such as the Greek and Roman pantheons and the Persian beliefs though those were hardly are prevalent at the time.)


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Stiles Mornay on February 23, 2009, 06:00:45 pm
.... I have to admit that I WAS a Christian. However, this was forced upon me when I was little. Naturally I rebelled against it much to the chagrin of my parents. Deep down, I must've felt that something was off with the religion.

Time passed and I eventually caved into it, did some kind of a commitment thingy to get my soul saved or whatever. Got into it a little bit by reading most of those Left Behind books and checking out some of the churches in my area. In a short time, I finally realized what was missing with the religion. It was holding back the essential truths about the supernatural and why we're here.

So I left the religion altogether and dove right into the supernatural with a passion with the help of my former master/teacher and friend of 9 years. One helluva trip (at least for me), learned so much and finally reached the same conclusion CimbleSimba said previous: we're here to learn. But not simply just to learn what's around us, but also ourselves and important life lessons that ultimately helps our spiritual evolution.

On a side note: I've been visited by many Angels and Demons (including the high-ranked ones) in my dreams shortly after I began my apprenticeship. Just putting that out since they pertain to Christianity.

Man, longest post by me so far. So sorry if I rambled..


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: The Sentinel on February 23, 2009, 06:34:13 pm
I am Christian now, though I rejected it violently when I turned 13, and until recently (ten years later) I sought to make my own way and struck out on my own only to be drawn back after coming at the religion (Christianity) from a new angle, and one that I found suited me. There's nothing actually wrong with the religion, but there's a great deal wrong with many that profess to practice it without actually knowing what the book says.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Gamael on February 23, 2009, 09:45:02 pm
simblecimba this annoys me to no end when people and religions get blamed for something they themselves didn't do. I do not hunt down people and burn them and what not so why do I have to put up with the hate generated from you blaming me for that? Were you personally in this lifetime burned at the stake? obviously not because you made the post.

I am Christian and I would never abandon my religion. The Christian religion, if you dig deep enough, does not shy from the supernatural at all. You just have to read the right text. The bible of today is incomplete due to a bunch of senators and holy men getting together and ripping it apart for the most part.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Stellar on June 01, 2009, 09:36:23 pm
And You, Dearest Stellar, are a much better person than I. :-*

Aww, nice of you to notice. LOL. Just kidding. Not a better person, I am just a different sort of person.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: onelight on June 03, 2009, 12:19:01 am
I am a christian and a vamp too . I am glad to see others talking about this.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: audrianna on June 03, 2009, 07:50:28 am
im a jew and a vampire!


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: asteria on June 03, 2009, 11:38:25 am
I am wiccan and a vampire.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Alucard Collins on June 17, 2009, 01:29:40 am
I'm also a Christian and very proud of that fact.

That being said, I find many things to be wrong with organized Christianity because I feel that so much of it has taught us to be closed minded rather than to seek out truths. None of us have all the answers and that's okay. I personally do believe that Christ died on the cross in order to forgive my sins. I am a flawed person... as we all are. For those who believe something else, I have no problem with that. In fact, I sincerely enjoy hearing what others believe and why they choose to believe what they do. It is my personal feeling that just because someone is not a Christian they are not sentenced to hell.

The biggest problem I have with organized Christianity (and organized religion in general) is that it's run like a business. This is very troubling to me... though it's nothing new at all (it's been that way for well over a thousand years after all). In my personal opinion, Jesus would certainly not call many of the churches today his house.

I should note that there are some churches who are not after money and who have people who truly do seek knowledge and spiritual truths.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 15, 2009, 09:22:37 am
I am a Wiccan and a Vampire.  The only problem I have with general Christianity is their closed minded nature.  You may kill someone and be forgiven by God, but you don't believe in him 100% and you burn in Hell for all eternity?  Ehk!  And the creation of Satan!  Is Satan not the embodiment of the God of most Pagan religions.  The Sun God.  God of the Hunt.  With horns and the body of a goat.  Suddenly the God of Pagans is the Devil of Christianity.  Also, the fact that in the old versions of the Bible there were many more female aspects, but that was considered too Pagan-like because we worship the Goddess, Mother of Earth, so it was taken out.  What they do not seem to realize is we were here first.  We founded our religion on the energies we recieved from the Earth.  What the Earth told us, and the magic that once existed that is now gone due to the ignorance of humans.  Now I am not saying all Christians are this way, and I'm not saying I hate all Christians, but some of the things they do and say bug me.  Especially the "higher people" in the Christian community.  And just to say, there were no wars over religion until Christianity.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: SilverRose on October 15, 2009, 12:29:43 pm
yes i believe that the bible is full of contradictions I mean how can you say that a newborn baby is condemed to hell A HELPLESS BABY that has no control what so ever of its actions. and that gay people are also Condemed to hell when there BORN GAY.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sunshine1626 on October 16, 2009, 03:32:44 am
I am a Wiccan and a Vampire.  The only problem I have with general Christianity is their closed minded nature.  You may kill someone and be forgiven by God, but you don't believe in him 100% and you burn in Hell for all eternity?  Ehk!  And the creation of Satan!  Is Satan not the embodiment of the God of most Pagan religions.  The Sun God.  God of the Hunt.  With horns and the body of a goat.  Suddenly the God of Pagans is the Devil of Christianity.  Also, the fact that in the old versions of the Bible there were many more female aspects, but that was considered too Pagan-like because we worship the Goddess, Mother of Earth, so it was taken out.  What they do not seem to realize is we were here first.  We founded our religion on the energies we recieved from the Earth.  What the Earth told us, and the magic that once existed that is now gone due to the ignorance of humans.  Now I am not saying all Christians are this way, and I'm not saying I hate all Christians, but some of the things they do and say bug me.  Especially the "higher people" in the Christian community.  And just to say, there were no wars over religion until Christianity.
Generalizations never solve anything.
One of the most important parts of Christianity is a question of where your heart is at. Killing someone with full knowledge that what you're doing is wrong will not be all fine and dandy by simply saying 'sorry'.
Correct me if I'm wrong (and please sight your source), but the depiction of Satan as a hoofed, goat-bodied, red horned creature is not biblical. The closest description to this comes from Revelation 12:3 (of the King James' Version) in which they describe a red dragon with seven heads and ten horns; as those who have read Revelations know, there's many alliterations and literary devices thrown in to describe the horror, not actually the scene. Since during the time of King James various other stories existed of knights in shining armor who were defeating horrifying dragons, they used the immage of a dragon to describe Satan and immplied that Jesus, the knight in shining armor, would save the Kingdom.
There's going to be continuous argument over what religion was first - probably because it's a direct way to prove that you're the smartest because you're following the 'true' religion if you were first. So, congrats if you wish to be called first. I acknowledge that there was no such thing as Christian until a Roman emperor was appalled at those "Christ-ians" who were following Jesus. [Just a little FYI, there's empirical evidence to prove that Hindus, not "Pagans", have the oldest monuments, statues, and text describing their Gods and Goddesses.]
At least the "Higher People" in the Christian Community study theology before bad-mouthing it.

yes i believe that the bible is full of contradictions I mean how can you say that a newborn baby is condemed to hell A HELPLESS BABY that has no control what so ever of its actions.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never found any text stating that newborn babies are condemned to hell. The practice of baptising children is never mentioned in the bible, nor is the result of unbaptized children mentioned to be eternal damnation.


It is possible for an idea to be considered 'Christian' but not be biblical or in accordance with God's will.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Maloryn on October 16, 2009, 09:00:23 am
Like all religions, Christianity is pretty rife with contradictions...

Generations of edits tend to do that to about anything.
It's a fairly recent trend to believe that the Bible is completely infallible and incapable of metaphor or rhetoric.

Not all Christians believe all of the same thing... I'd compare them to vamps, but that's been over done and being a vamp has nothing to do with religion (unless you ask one of the TOV or similar idiots* ). For everything that many religious leaders say is wrong and try to quote verses against them, there are almost always counter-examples in their own texts.

I'd start with examples, but am pressed for time right now, so maybe Sunday :)

---Mal

*as always, personal not House, opinion.  ToV, the Earth is Flat, There Was No Moon Landing, Elvis is Alive, and any other simian similar crowd may be accepted by others in the House.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 16, 2009, 02:19:01 pm
I am a Wiccan and a Vampire.  The only problem I have with general Christianity is their closed minded nature.  You may kill someone and be forgiven by God, but you don't believe in him 100% and you burn in Hell for all eternity?  Ehk!  And the creation of Satan!  Is Satan not the embodiment of the God of most Pagan religions.  The Sun God.  God of the Hunt.  With horns and the body of a goat.  Suddenly the God of Pagans is the Devil of Christianity.  Also, the fact that in the old versions of the Bible there were many more female aspects, but that was considered too Pagan-like because we worship the Goddess, Mother of Earth, so it was taken out.  What they do not seem to realize is we were here first.  We founded our religion on the energies we recieved from the Earth.  What the Earth told us, and the magic that once existed that is now gone due to the ignorance of humans.  Now I am not saying all Christians are this way, and I'm not saying I hate all Christians, but some of the things they do and say bug me.  Especially the "higher people" in the Christian community.  And just to say, there were no wars over religion until Christianity.
Generalizations never solve anything.
One of the most important parts of Christianity is a question of where your heart is at. Killing someone with full knowledge that what you're doing is wrong will not be all fine and dandy by simply saying 'sorry'.
Correct me if I'm wrong (and please sight your source), but the depiction of Satan as a hoofed, goat-bodied, red horned creature is not biblical. The closest description to this comes from Revelation 12:3 (of the King James' Version) in which they describe a red dragon with seven heads and ten horns; as those who have read Revelations know, there's many alliterations and literary devices thrown in to describe the horror, not actually the scene. Since during the time of King James various other stories existed of knights in shining armor who were defeating horrifying dragons, they used the immage of a dragon to describe Satan and immplied that Jesus, the knight in shining armor, would save the Kingdom.
There's going to be continuous argument over what religion was first - probably because it's a direct way to prove that you're the smartest because you're following the 'true' religion if you were first. So, congrats if you wish to be called first. I acknowledge that there was no such thing as Christian until a Roman emperor was appalled at those "Christ-ians" who were following Jesus. [Just a little FYI, there's empirical evidence to prove that Hindus, not "Pagans", have the oldest monuments, statues, and text describing their Gods and Goddesses.]
At least the "Higher People" in the Christian Community study theology before bad-mouthing it.

yes i believe that the bible is full of contradictions I mean how can you say that a newborn baby is condemed to hell A HELPLESS BABY that has no control what so ever of its actions.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I have never found any text stating that newborn babies are condemned to hell. The practice of baptising children is never mentioned in the bible, nor is the result of unbaptized children mentioned to be eternal damnation.


It is possible for an idea to be considered 'Christian' but not be biblical or in accordance with God's will.

Oooooooooooooooooooooookay.  Exactly, it was the Christian people who created satan to make us look bad.  The term Pagan refers to those religions that worshiped many gods BEFORE Christianity.  I'm not saying we're the oldest, but we are most certainly older than Christianity.  And I do study theology thank you very much.  I have studied almost all of the branches of Christianity, Hinduism, Bhuddism, and even Islam.  I do not post things I dont know anything about.  I do study what I say.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: captian on October 16, 2009, 03:50:51 pm
                    I never liked that being christened as baby was something that was done to me when i was so young i had no choice.My mum loves to bring this dissatisfaction of mine up up whenever she can.So many people don't seem to understand that when you christen your child you are saying that they are impure,that they have original sin when they are born.When christened or baptized they become cleansed and able to enter the 'house of god',the impurity's gone.  I always saw it as a strange precaution that my mum took,but i had no choice in .
                After being christened into the church of england i went to sunday school and was promptly asked to leave.I have always questioned religion,hey why cant i do what Jesus did, isn't that what he taught us, and i strongly believe this. But ask me go to church and accept their word ,no.
               I was born into the christian faith,but i am not a christian,i believe in alot of the basic teachings but i feel the church has blown the fear of faith way out of realstic proportion (hell, really).
                 I will always question religion and i hope others keep an open mind,have faith but always go with what feels right.







Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Maloryn on October 16, 2009, 07:55:47 pm
The term Pagan refers to those religions that worshiped many gods BEFORE Christianity. 

Um, no.
Pagan is actually basically a Latin equivelent of "redneck".

or if you want a better citation, follow the linky:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan)

It basically arose as a term to refer to the country folk who hadn't converted when the Romans started converting to Christianity.  The combining of various "bad archetypes" / "evil deities" was done over time and you can still find references to them all over the place even in the current rendition of the bible.
To be fair, they ripped off most of their Saints from the other religions too... not just the "evil" archetypes.
To be even more fair, its not like every other religion in the world hasn't done something similar.

---Mal
aka the Chosen of Bacchus*
Which pretty much defines "pagan" in almost every classic term :)

*because Dionysus is too damn hard to pronounce when you're falling-down drunk in the honor of your god


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sunshine1626 on October 16, 2009, 10:22:14 pm
Oooooooooooooooooooooookay.  Exactly, it was the Christian people who created satan to make us look bad.  The term Pagan refers to those religions that worshiped many gods BEFORE Christianity.  I'm not saying we're the oldest, but we are most certainly older than Christianity.  And I do study theology thank you very much.  I have studied almost all of the branches of Christianity, Hinduism, Bhuddism, and even Islam.  I do not post things I dont know anything about.  I do study what I say.
I never said that Satan was created to make 'you' look bad. I was simply explaining the actual biblical descriptions of Satan. There has also been references to malevolent beings before Jesus and the Christians - many not coming from Abrahamic origins.
There's far too many branches of Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam combined for a young person to have studied almost all of them with more than a glance... (at least that's my thoughts. I could be wrong, and I offer my deepest apologies ahead of time if I am, in fact, wrong.)


                    I never liked that being christened as baby was something that was done to me when i was so young i had no choice.My mum loves to bring this dissatisfaction of mine up up whenever she can.So many people don't seem to understand that when you christen your child you are saying that they are impure,that they have original sin when they are born.When christened or baptized they become cleansed and able to enter the 'house of god',the impurity's gone.  I always saw it as a strange precaution that my mum took,but i had no choice in .
                After being christened into the church of england i went to sunday school and was promptly asked to leave.I have always questioned religion,hey why cant i do what Jesus did, isn't that what he taught us, and i strongly believe this. But ask me go to church and accept their word ,no.
               I was born into the christian faith,but i am not a christian,i believe in alot of the basic teachings but i feel the church has blown the fear of faith way out of realstic proportion (hell, really).
                 I will always question religion and i hope others keep an open mind,have faith but always go with what feels right.

If it makes any difference you could tell your mother that the bible does not anywhere state that children should be baptized, and the only references to people being baptized were adults after they decided to be followers of Jesus. There's also many who will argue that christenings are not the same as, nor a substitution for, being baptized. I am sorry to hear that you have been christened against your will.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: captian on October 17, 2009, 01:41:20 pm
       Most people i know have been christened and have never questioned it.It was a practice that was extremely common it was done because that was what you did.Your parents had you christened then you do the same to your child most people never question tradition. My mum did because of the tradition and ceremony not the meaning behind it,not any biblical reference if any.
       I think we had one dusty bible in our house that held all the family records and secrets.I own a bible now,not out of faith but of curiosity it sits with the other major and minor religious texts that crowd my room.
          One rainy day will come,i will cross the veil and i will find out what bits were true and what bits they added to tell a good yarn.Maybe that splash of holy water has done wonders for my afterlife.








 


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 19, 2009, 08:50:59 am
The term Pagan refers to those religions that worshiped many gods BEFORE Christianity. 

Um, no.
Pagan is actually basically a Latin equivelent of "redneck".

or if you want a better citation, follow the linky:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan)

It basically arose as a term to refer to the country folk who hadn't converted when the Romans started converting to Christianity.  The combining of various "bad archetypes" / "evil deities" was done over time and you can still find references to them all over the place even in the current rendition of the bible.
To be fair, they ripped off most of their Saints from the other religions too... not just the "evil" archetypes.
To be even more fair, its not like every other religion in the world hasn't done something similar.

---Mal
aka the Chosen of Bacchus*
Which pretty much defines "pagan" in almost every classic term :)

*because Dionysus is too damn hard to pronounce when you're falling-down drunk in the honor of your god


Yes, and you got this from wikipedia, where anyone can post anything even if it's wrong.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Maloryn on October 19, 2009, 09:33:42 am
Yes, and you got this from wikipedia, where anyone can post anything even if it's wrong.
Well, that and a few years of Latin...
... and maybe being a practicing pagan a bit longer than you've been alive...

You seem to have a bad habit of over-simplifying and over-generalizing based on your limited knowledge and experience.
I've been trying to be nice, but the implication that I'm just looking in Wikipedia for all the answers to life the universe and everything would be insulting if it weren't so damn funny. ( I found your comment about no religious wars before christianity especially funny).
I posted the reference because it's always nice to have a way to double check what someone is saying. If you don't like Wikipedia there are thousands of other pagan and Latin sites on the internet you can use to verify what I posted (technically google is telling me that there are 6,020,000 sites that match "meaning of word pagan", but I think at least 6,000,000 are probably a bit off :).
If you believe this is incorrect, feel free to post some counter-examples based on something other than your own personal opinion.

---Mal
who is feeling like he should now be investing in a smurf-tastic rocking chair


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 19, 2009, 11:03:56 am
Maybe that is the Latin translation, but the word Pagan was created after Christianity began to seperate the people who had not yet converted.  It was not a word meaning "evil" or anything like that.  We even called ourselves Pagan and were proud.  You may have been practicing for a long time, maybe longer than I've been alive, but were you born into it?  Did you learn under the Circe teachings?  I did and I was. I knew Lady Circe before she died, my mother and her were very good friends. 


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Maloryn on October 19, 2009, 08:41:09 pm
*sigh*

You're completely missing the point.
Pagan was not invented for pagans... it was a word that was already in existence which was applied pejoratively to those who didn't convert to the new-fangled religion (Christianity).

I'm not even going to touch on the rest... we're derailing this thread enough as it is.

---Mal


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: asteria on October 20, 2009, 10:49:54 am
That is true. Paganism is all non-christian beliefs. The only religion that I have a strong problem with is mormons.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 17, 2009, 11:19:32 pm
I was raised Baptist my entire life but it just wasn't for me. I made a conscious choice to stop believing in God or, more preciously, I disavowed him and renounced my religion. Sometimes I think God may be real and I just feel that my life is better without him.

I love all religions though and I'm going back to school soon to study religion. Alas the saying that "It's rude to talk about religion because you never know who you're gonna offend." is true to all those who have read the aforementioned posts where our fellow posters have gotten into a fight over religion.

And now to start my own fight lol. I have a serious problem with only one Religion.....well set of beliefs cause I WILL NOT consider it to be a religion. I just don't like Scientology. At all. I'll leave it at that unless someone has questions. I'm not trying to offend I'm just stating my opinion.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: belovedofdeath on November 18, 2009, 06:22:15 am
That is true. Paganism is all non-christian beliefs. The only religion that I have a strong problem with is mormons.

and scientology?  for the most part, mormons don't do anything wrong that (and correct me here, it's early and i'm not feeling up to the task of verifying the claims i am making in this post here) hindus dont? as far as polygamy and lack of women and children's rights and all of that at least.  at least mormons don't feel it's in their dharma to be a warrior--they just don't drink and have sex in missionary and hope to get a planet full of virgins when they die. xD

or something like that.

(totters off to bed)


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sfinelli3 on November 18, 2009, 08:39:09 am
I was raised Baptist my entire life but it just wasn't for me. I made a conscious choice to stop believing in God or, more preciously, I disavowed him and renounced my religion. Sometimes I think God may be real and I just feel that my life is better without him.

I love all religions though and I'm going back to school soon to study religion. Alas the saying that "It's rude to talk about religion because you never know who you're gonna offend." is true to all those who have read the aforementioned posts where our fellow posters have gotten into a fight over religion.

And now to start my own fight lol. I have a serious problem with only one Religion.....well set of beliefs cause I WILL NOT consider it to be a religion. I just don't like Scientology. At all. I'll leave it at that unless someone has questions. I'm not trying to offend I'm just stating my opinion.

I agree, even though I may discuss my views on religion, I do agree.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: belovedofdeath on November 18, 2009, 02:48:40 pm
I was raised Baptist my entire life but it just wasn't for me. I made a conscious choice to stop believing in God or, more preciously, I disavowed him and renounced my religion. Sometimes I think God may be real and I just feel that my life is better without him.

I love all religions though and I'm going back to school soon to study religion. Alas the saying that "It's rude to talk about religion because you never know who you're gonna offend." is true to all those who have read the aforementioned posts where our fellow posters have gotten into a fight over religion.

And now to start my own fight lol. I have a serious problem with only one Religion.....well set of beliefs cause I WILL NOT consider it to be a religion. I just don't like Scientology. At all. I'll leave it at that unless someone has questions. I'm not trying to offend I'm just stating my opinion.

honestly, i don't view scientology as a religion.  at all.  it's a business.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Removed on November 18, 2009, 02:59:20 pm
Hmmmm... It is a business, I do feel that way also, but I have another theory. The catholic church has been in power for a long time. The first churches were schools, that's why there are catholic schools today. The first hospitals were ran by crusader knights guarding the path to jerusalem. Rome was built with gold sacked from jerusalem. It is a business but everything in this country is a business. No one ever does anything simply for the sake of doing it.

I don't advocate how they practice their religion, I don't approve of scientology at all ... but the circumstances led them to where they are now. Most alternative religions are just that. Christians dominate this world. It's hard being anything else. Us pagans can hide behind our differences but some people don't have that option.

The christian churches are just recently starting to lose money, but the vatican itself is still alive and strong. The pope is but a holy politician pushing his agenda. He is in the news and is just as political as any other politician.

To fight, it takes money. Cost. Obama would have never won without his internet funding campaign. Everything has a price.
Balance does not exist. There is only duality and our fear of conflict often leaves us with a complete lack of understanding. Everything has cost.
You want to fight the Pope then how much are you willing to pay? You can't blame famous people for putting money where their mouth is. Of course they don't understand the little guy that doesn't have the money to buy the books. They never lived like that before.

Fear of conflict is truly dreadful. It leads to a direct lack of awareness that is utterly destroying this world and everything that lives and breathes on it.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 18, 2009, 04:57:32 pm
I understand that this is a nation built on capitalism and even the groups that shouldn't be founded in Capitalism, such as Hospitals and Churches, are but Still, peoples health shouldn't be based on how much money they have. Anyway Scientology Is a cult built on a foundation that can be extremely dangerous. Off the top of my head I can think of 2 instances where their practices led directly to the death of it's members. One such was a kid who was born with Schizophrenia and instead of giving him the medication the doctors prescribed they gave him vitamins and took him to self help classes. One day he just snapped and stabbed his mother to death. It's dangerous and I can't help hating the entire cult


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sunshine1626 on November 19, 2009, 04:44:41 am
I understand that this is a nation built on capitalism and even the groups that shouldn't be founded in Capitalism, such as Hospitals and Churches, are but Still, peoples health shouldn't be based on how much money they have. Anyway Scientology Is a cult built on a foundation that can be extremely dangerous. Off the top of my head I can think of 2 instances where their practices led directly to the death of it's members. One such was a kid who was born with Schizophrenia and instead of giving him the medication the doctors prescribed they gave him vitamins and took him to self help classes. One day he just snapped and stabbed his mother to death. It's dangerous and I can't help hating the entire cult
...That and the fact that the entire religion was created by a SciFi writer..... But then again, I'm still trying to become an ordained Jedi ;)


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 19, 2009, 10:29:12 am
WEll we should all have dreams even if that is to be a Jedi


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: SilverRose on November 19, 2009, 12:38:41 pm
I was Baptist too but i renounced my religion like a year or two back. i believe in god i just don't think that there is one right religion and all the rest are wrong.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 19, 2009, 06:10:30 pm
I was Baptist too but i renounced my religion like a year or two back. i believe in god i just don't think that there is one right religion and all the rest are wrong.

Sound pretty similar.  Southern Baptist from the day my parents locked eyes from across the room.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Maloryn on November 19, 2009, 08:36:52 pm
...That and the fact that the entire religion was created by a SciFi writer...

As a bet with John W. Campbell, if I recall correctly :)

---Mal


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: belovedofdeath on November 19, 2009, 08:37:30 pm
...That and the fact that the entire religion was created by a SciFi writer...

As a bet with John W. Campbell, if I recall correctly :)

---Mal

you do recall correctly. :)

i was just sick of talking about it, and didn't feel like getting upset over it all over again.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 19, 2009, 08:39:39 pm
And ladies and gentleman we now have a religion that destroys the lives of thousands of people a day


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Maloryn on November 19, 2009, 08:45:03 pm
Network television?  ;)

---Mal


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 19, 2009, 09:01:05 pm
.....yes b ut i was thinking of Scientology actually/ But both are correct answers


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sfinelli3 on November 20, 2009, 08:58:26 am
Another religion that was started by a SciFi writer was from Robert A. Heinlines (sp?) Stranger in a Strange Land.  I forget what its called or what they practice, but one of the people at my church found it and showed it to me.  They actually follow the religion from the book.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: belovedofdeath on November 20, 2009, 09:15:34 am
Another religion that was started by a SciFi writer was from Robert A. Heinlines (sp?) Stranger in a Strange Land.  I forget what its called or what they practice, but one of the people at my church found it and showed it to me.  They actually follow the religion from the book.

but.... there's not really a religion in that book.  they're just fans of it--similar to how people follow donnie darko as a "religion."


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 20, 2009, 10:58:53 am
don't forget Cathulu. If any fictional character should be a god that's the one


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: belovedofdeath on November 20, 2009, 11:23:56 am
don't forget Cathulu. If any fictional character should be a god that's the one

http://www.hello-cthulhu.com/


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 20, 2009, 11:27:26 am
hahahaha lol. that's awesome.
Here try this  http://ohmygods.co.uk/


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: belovedofdeath on November 20, 2009, 11:29:30 am
hahahaha lol. that's awesome.
Here try this  http://ohmygods.co.uk/

hahahaha that's cute!


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 20, 2009, 11:35:28 am
yeah the pope has a poping stick that he pokes people with and they call fundamentalist Christians Fundies. It's hilarious


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Maloryn on November 21, 2009, 11:09:00 am
There's no religion inspired from Heinelin, though he did popularize polyamory and libertarianism...

---Mal


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 21, 2009, 12:38:05 pm
Yeah I've never heard of Heinlein starting anything except for controversy over his book Starship Troopers being pro fascism. But in another direction J.R.R. Tolkien once went on a horse ride with C.S. Lewis and came back completely Christian. Before that he was inherently atheistic and spent hours arguing over the evils of religion. I'd love to know what they talked about on that trip.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: belovedofdeath on November 22, 2009, 04:08:43 pm
Yeah I've never heard of Heinlein starting anything except for controversy over his book Starship Troopers being pro fascism. But in another direction J.R.R. Tolkien once went on a horse ride with C.S. Lewis and came back completely Christian. Before that he was inherently atheistic and spent hours arguing over the evils of religion. I'd love to know what they talked about on that trip.

same. a man in a coffee shop told that to me once.  he seemed to know what he was talking about, so i accepted it at the time, but now that i remember that i'm curious...



Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sfinelli3 on November 22, 2009, 07:12:59 pm
There's no religion inspired from Heinelin, though he did popularize polyamory and libertarianism...

---Mal

I'll find it and post about it.  My friend knows all about it.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: K. Muraki on November 26, 2009, 11:06:03 pm
I "came out of the metaphoric coffin" to a Pagan friend of mine and he was shocked to learn this, since he knew, initially, that I'm a practicing Catholic. Then when I told him I'd discovered that feeding on the ambient energies at Mass was one of the best ways to keep my inner daemons under control, I thought his brain was going to break. He recovered enough to joke, "So much for vampires not being able to go onto consecrated ground."

I mean, think about it: the main focus of the Mass is the Eucharist, which recreates the Last Supper and which memorializes the shedding of Christ's Blood on the cross. We Catholics believe that Christ is truly present, Body and Blood, in the form of the Bread and Wine, which is our spiritual nourishment: we're already vampires, in a manner of speaking. I've actually started feeding when I take Communion, and I've found it a much more spiritually enriching experience that way. Maybe this "explains" some of the Catholic mystics who lived only on Communion. Case in point, Teresa Neumann, a woman in Germany who lived during the earlier part of the 20th century (whom my grandfather on my dad's side met when he [ie. Grandfather M] was in Germany during and after WWII) and who was known for having visions of the life of Christ, as well as some small precognitions: for years, the only physical food she ate was the Eucharist, which she received every morning at Mass, and yet she lived an active life taking care of her family's farm. Add to this, she didn't look or act undernourished or sickly: if anything, she was rather on the heavy-set side.

Hoo, that was a long ramble and I've drifted off topic a little...


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 26, 2009, 11:09:14 pm
What better religion than one that openly preaches Vampirism and Cannibalism? I say feed away.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: K. Muraki on November 26, 2009, 11:20:29 pm
What better religion than one that openly preaches Vampirism and Cannibalism? I say feed away.

Amen to that! :: laughs:: I'm minded of one little bit in Neil Gaiman's short story "Fifteen Painted Cards from a Vampire Tarot", entitled "The Pope" (ie. the High Priest/Heirophant in the Major Arcana of the standard Tarot): the way it's worded, he could be describing either Catholicism or vampirism....


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 26, 2009, 11:26:07 pm
love Neil Gaiman. The man rocks me hard.

And not trying to make fun of any beliefs but i mean come on, you are on a vampire board saying you are a vampire, you should love thinking that Jesus is all for it.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sfinelli3 on November 27, 2009, 10:23:05 am
The religion that was started based on the book Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert A. Heinlein is The Order of the Mithril Stars and it is based in California.  It's a Druid type religion, but not really.  Its very strange.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: paindancer on November 27, 2009, 08:32:09 pm
Dude, 20 seconds on wikipedia.. you need to quit taking your friends info as fact without checking.  Sfin, please, quit blurting out things without checking them.  It ammounts to intellectual diarrhea it does not help you or anyone else.  For your reference, I did some of the leg work for you.  Several spiritual schools of thought were inspired by the writing in question.  The author did not however create them.  Hubbard, for counterexample, did create Scientology, mostly out of a bet.  (I did not fact check that last statement, so you are welcome to do some healthy research and prove or disprove me)


Wiki:

In 1968, Tim Zell (now Oberon Zell-Ravenheart) and others formed a Neo-Pagan religious organization called the Church of All Worlds, modeled after the religion founded by the primary characters in the novel. Except for correspondence with Zell (a lengthy letter to Zell appears as a letter to "a Fan" toward the end of the book in Grumbles from the Grave) and a paid subscription to the Church's Green Egg magazine during the 1970s (as Heinlein refused to accept a complimentary subscription), Heinlein had no other connection to the project.


From the Order of the Mitril Star website FAQ shown below or linked  here:  http://www.mithrilstar.org/druidfaq.htm :

Q: "Grok?" "We are Gods?"  "Waterbrothers?"  What's up with that?   

A: This comes from  Robert A.  Heinleins novel, Stranger In A Strange Land (SiaSL).  To briefly summarize the book, it's about a human born on Mars and raised by Martians who returns to Earth as an adult, becomes a messiah and starts his own religion.  The main sacrament of that religion is water sharing, and the initiates are known  as water brothers.

We are one of a handful of Pagan groups somewhat inspired by SIASL
,in what has come to be known as The Heinleinian Tradition.The Order practices water sharing as a sacrament, encourages poly fidelity as a lifestyle, and recognizes that deity resides in each and every one of us ("Thou art God.") In our Reformed Druidism101 course we require students to read the novel (and they are tested on it).
Our embrace of Stranger In A Strange Land is unique within the RDG - we're the only group within the Reform that does this.

Q: How can we take a group based upon a science fiction novel seriously?
A:  OMS is not the first spiritual group to be INSPIRED BY (not BASED upon) that novel. The Church of All Worlds, Inc.(CAW), and the broader, "Heinleinian Tradition" were both inspired by SiaSL. David Fisher (a founder of the Reformed Druids of North America) said (regarding some of the sources of Reformed Druidism): "I must admit we were all readers of science fiction or science fantasy."

Scientists read science fiction. Many of them get a lot of inspiration from science fiction. A case in point is James Lovelock who authored the Gaea Hypothesis. This single hypothesis, the idea that the planet we live on is a single, interconnected organism, is the basis not only for the way science today looks at the planet, but for much of Pagan spirituality.  Lovelock's biographer says that not only was he inspired by science fiction, but he read Stranger In A Strange Land many times.

OMS is, however, inspired by more than just that one book. It also contains elements from Reformed Druidism, Faery Wicca, Discordianism, Ceremonial Magick, Shamanism, and Metaphysics - all blended together into a unique expression of spiritual practice.


Or the Church of All Worlds website, paraphrased below or found here http://www.caw.org/index.php?module=Pages&func=display&pageid=3 :

CAW evolved from a group of friends and lovers who were in part inspired by the science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein back in 1962. This book suggested a spiritual and social way of life and was a metaphor expressing the awakening social consciousness of the times. Inspired by this awakening of consciousness and the book, Stranger in a Strange Land, this group grew, evolved, became “water-kin” and created a religious organization that was recognized as a church by the federal government of the United States on March 4th 1968. They named this religious organization the Church of All Worlds after the church founded by the hero in the book. The Church’s organizing spiritual and social concepts and values include; a belief in immanent Divinity, a pluralistic perspective towards religion, living in harmony with Nature, self-actualization, deep friendship and positive sexuality. In time the church’s spiritual and social concepts and values became recognized as Neo-Pagan. As CAW continued to develop, it both influenced and was affected by the Neo-Pagan movement.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on November 27, 2009, 08:52:28 pm
Yeah I'll have to agree with pain. Love you to death Sfin but at the same time a lot of your post come across as "this is what I know so this is how it is" I have absolutely no insight into this SiaSL so I'm not going to try to respond. On the other hand I have done a lot of research into Scientology so I feel comfortable talking about that with others. I'm not saying I know everything but I also know I'm not living off of Wikipedia


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Sfinelli3 on November 27, 2009, 08:52:50 pm
I guess I was misunderstood.  I didnt mean HE created it, but the story did, basically.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: paindancer on November 30, 2009, 12:16:01 am
Another religion that was started by a SciFi writer was from Robert A. Heinlines (sp?) Stranger in a Strange Land. 

No worries.  As you can see above, its easy to misunderstand you.  I think, you just get into a hurry too often.

Hang in there.

So Graves, was I right in that Hubbard did create scientology mostly on a bet?  I hear wierd things about them, that in some interpretations they could be considered otherkin, just packaged differently.  They kind of fascinate me, with their giant complex.  Never have bothered to investigate them however.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: GraVes on December 01, 2009, 01:22:22 pm
There is some evidence that Hubbard made a bet with Arthur C Clarke that he could start a religion but nothing concrete. More evidence suggests that when Hubbard couldn't get Dianetics accepted as a Medical service that he decided to take it religious because, lets face it, you don't have to have truth or fact to have a religion.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: asteria on December 02, 2009, 10:44:53 am
Exactly. Its what you believe not what you know.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: SilverRose on December 02, 2009, 12:30:15 pm
Yea but it's nice to be able to back things up when you can, saves alot of trouble.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: asteria on December 03, 2009, 10:09:27 am
yea but as long as you can truely believe it you can always back it up.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: SilverRose on December 03, 2009, 11:34:50 am
touche


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: asteria on December 07, 2009, 09:53:59 am
 :D


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: nightchild on December 26, 2009, 06:58:51 pm
Religioun has nothing to do with how you live Religioun is based upon an idea and is made for other to believe and some follow it blindly.
If looking for whom you really are you don't need Religioun to do that.
You are who you are how you act upon it is completely up to you.
So i decided to stay more on a spiritual believe instead of only looking at one believe system taking many believes systems and all tell the samething
believe in yourself and you can achieve anything.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Gamael on December 26, 2009, 11:57:18 pm
Religioun has nothing to do with how you live Religioun is based upon an idea and is made for other to believe and some follow it blindly.
If looking for whom you really are you don't need Religioun to do that.
You are who you are how you act upon it is completely up to you.

watch your words "nightchild"


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Stellar on December 28, 2009, 10:55:59 am

Religioun has nothing to do with how you live Religioun is based upon an idea and is made for other to believe and some follow it blindly.
If looking for whom you really are you don't need Religioun to do that.
You are who you are how you act upon it is completely up to you.
watch your words "nightchild"

Everyone has the right to believe as they wish. Being a Christian myself, I believe in free will. Night is exercising his own free will, and I see no fascists in residence here. Do you?

I hope that you had a great Holiday. *hugs for you*



Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: asteria on December 28, 2009, 11:45:47 am
Religioun has nothing to do with how you live Religioun is based upon an idea and is made for other to believe and some follow it blindly.
If looking for whom you really are you don't need Religioun to do that.
You are who you are how you act upon it is completely up to you.
So i decided to stay more on a spiritual believe instead of only looking at one believe system taking many believes systems and all tell the samething
believe in yourself and you can achieve anything.

I am a wiccan and i do not follow it blindly that is your view and i will respect it but remember that some people truely belive in there religion and might get offended by that comment. Some times religion is not just for finding yourself remember that.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Gamael on January 01, 2010, 03:10:23 pm

Religioun has nothing to do with how you live Religioun is based upon an idea and is made for other to believe and some follow it blindly.
If looking for whom you really are you don't need Religioun to do that.
You are who you are how you act upon it is completely up to you.
watch your words "nightchild"

Everyone has the right to believe as they wish. Being a Christian myself, I believe in free will. Night is exercising his own free will, and I see no fascists in residence here. Do you?

I hope that you had a great Holiday. *hugs for you*



believing in your own way is completely different than speaking slander of others beliefs which is what he did. calling any one religion that says they have a god or multiple gods is based upon an idea is slanderous to them. also saying that is is for others to follow blindly is an ignorant statement. Although many do follow religions blindly it isn't because the religion was made for them to do so they just refuse to look deeper into it themselves.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: SilverRose on January 02, 2010, 01:09:04 pm
Well put personally believe just like everything else there is not just one answer to any question like religion i do not believe for one sec tat there is one religion is right but a combonation of certain religions that would answer everyones questions.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: asteria on January 02, 2010, 03:10:12 pm
all those ideas had to come from somewhere.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: SilverRose on January 03, 2010, 04:04:14 pm
Exactly, they cant all be wrong.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Stellar on January 04, 2010, 12:06:31 pm
Quote from: Gamael [/quote


believing in your own way is completely different than speaking slander of others beliefs which is what he did. calling any one religion that says they have a god or multiple gods is based upon an idea is slanderous to them. also saying that is is for others to follow blindly is an ignorant statement. Although many do follow religions blindly it isn't because the religion was made for them to do so they just refuse to look deeper into it themselves.



INMHO there isn’t anything wrong with what Night originally wrote. No slander was spoken here. Though, I have no idea who he would have been slandering. ;-)

Since I know Bart (he's been posting here since 2006), and know that English is not his first language (not to say that he doesn't write well, he really and truly does speak/ write excellently), I’ll break down his post to show you, and translate a bit. Perhaps, that will help.

Quote
Religioun has nothing to do with how you live Religioun is based upon an idea. and is made for other to believe

All religion is based on an abstract idea. People breathe life into the ideas that they believe in. These ideas are set into the wind, where they set fire to the hearts and minds of many. The reason why this occurs is because, people NEED to build self constructs and schemas from/around these ideas, so that they can understand the world around them. And yes, faith is based on the belief that an idea has merit, and is in some way true.

So, what Night wrote is a given. I see nothing wrong in the quoted text.

Quote
and some follow it blindly.

There are indeed some people who follow it blindly. Think about the people who died in Jones Town and Waco, etc.

Quote
If looking for whom you really are you don't need Religioun to do that.


Translation: If you are looking to find yourself, you do not need religion to do that.

All Bart is saying is that people should look within themselves to find out who they are. All the answers you or anyone else needs can be found within. Introspection is good.

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You are who you are how you act upon it is completely up to you

This should be a cut and dry statement.

Here's a translation:  Everyone here is an individual. Each of you are who you are. Religion does not define you. You govern your own actions, and are accountable for your own actions. 

 I see absolutely no fault in his logic, nor do I see how any of you could have taken this wrongly. He was in no way knocking anyone's faith. If anything, I believe he was just stating the obvious.

I say this a lot, but when reading posts, you must read between the lines, or else misunderstandings are likely to occur. Adding in emotions can sway perception quite a bit as well.

Happy New Year. :-) *hugs and love*

--Sov




Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Gamael on January 07, 2010, 11:44:02 pm

INMHO there isn’t anything wrong with what Night originally wrote. No slander was spoken here. Though, I have no idea who he would have been slandering. ;-)

Since I know Bart (he's been posting here since 2006), and know that English is not his first language (not to say that he doesn't write well, he really and truly does speak/ write excellently), I’ll break down his post to show you, and translate a bit. Perhaps, that will help.

Quote
Religioun has nothing to do with how you live Religioun is based upon an idea. and is made for other to believe

All religion is based on an abstract idea. People breathe life into the ideas that they believe in. These ideas are set into the wind, where they set fire to the hearts and minds of many. The reason why this occurs is because, people NEED to build self constructs and schemas from/around these ideas, so that they can understand the world around them. And yes, faith is based on the belief that an idea has merit, and is in some way true.


--Sovereign



All religion is based on an abstract idea. People breathe life into the ideas that they believe in. These ideas are set into the wind, where they set fire to the hearts and minds of many.

you follow in the slander. I needed no translation to his words. you sort of cleaned up at the end with the statement of merit but this is i copied is you saying that religion is created by a mans idea and nothing but it and his belief in it. This is slanderous to the specific religion of this post because it says that man created god not the other way around which would be saying this entire religion would be false if you are to make these statements make sure people know it is just what you believe and don't state it as though it is a fact. Just about the entirety of the religion against science war that always goes on is because science enjoys saying that through research of man they have ruled out the possibility of any religion that has a god and a creation is completely false. If they were to simply say it was their beliefs and leave religion alone it would cause a lot less strife. I am not saying it would end it but it would definately reduce the amount. I hope you see where I am coming from.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Maloryn on January 23, 2010, 02:26:26 pm
Gam, I think your idea of slander is a bit skewed (that and it's arguably libel, not slander if its on the internet ;)
Sort of like folks who get all offended when I spell things "xian" or "god" (instead of God).

Feel free to believe that your religion (or maybe yours + others) were divinely inspired, but others stating they don't believe that is hardly slander...

Slander would be something like "wow, how can those dipshits believe in the zombie jew story after so much evidence has been uncovered over the years to counter it?" or "of course Jesus is gay, how else do you interpret 'get the behind me and whatever thou must doest, do so quickly'?" or "You're a xian? ... so you think little kids who make fun of bald religious leaders should be killed by bears or that arranging the gang rape your daughters is better than letting folks get it on their own way?"

See the difference? :)

---Mal
equal opportunity offender


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Stellar on January 24, 2010, 12:31:41 am
I hope you see where I am coming from.

Not really. But I accept our differences. :-) And I respect and like you more because of them.

Have a good week.


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Taris on July 25, 2010, 05:59:48 pm
I just wanted to post this:

If vampyrism is a condition then following a set of beliefs you wish to follow or following many or simply taking from several should not be shunned no? I mean if it is a condition in which people live throughout the extent of their lives then it has no real basis in their personal religion or beliefs leaving their path open to them to choose whether to be christian or atheist. We all follow our own paths but what most of us have in common is the condition be they Christian-Vampyre or Athiest-Vampyre. Simply to learn from each other and their practices should suffice if not desiring to learn from their religious beliefs. Just wanted to toss that in maybe clarifying things for some who would say " OMG! Theres a Christian claiming Vampyre? How and why?".


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Oblivionburns on June 26, 2011, 08:00:21 pm
Oh, really, "Gamael"?  Just because no one is being burned alive or hanged publicly anymore for disagreeing with Christianity doesn't mean you should act righteous about the class warfare that's still happening all around you.  Not everyone believes in any god or gods at all, and if you truly believe that frame of mind to be closed, try to remember that some people can't even wrap their brains around the idea that there IS no "higher purpose".  Jeez, wouldn't THAT just drive ya nuts?  LOL.  What purpose could possibly be more noble than the pursuit of learning about our fellow humans?  We are, by nature, narcissisitic creatures, so of course it will be difficult for the religious to grasp that there may be more to life than their interpretation of "purpose".


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: MorganCole on September 20, 2011, 12:44:03 am
I was raised a Christian. I rebeled when growing up and got into Wicca and Witchcraft and that advanced into other areas of the occult. I have respect for those who come out and say that they are Christian. So am I!


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Oblivionburns on January 29, 2012, 07:52:16 pm
*because Dionysus is too damn hard to pronounce when you're falling-down drunk in the honor of your god

I LOVE YOU MALORYN! 

And I, too, practice the old rites!  I'm doing it right now!~  MIMOSAS for ALL!


Title: Re: Yes. I Am A Christian
Post by: Maloryn on January 30, 2012, 08:04:46 pm
*because Dionysus is too damn hard to pronounce when you're falling-down drunk in the honor of your god

I LOVE YOU MALORYN! 

And I, too, practice the old rites!  I'm doing it right now!~  MIMOSAS for ALL!

I'd just like to say that I wrote that over two years ago and some of my beliefs may have changed in that time...





... as I have a LOT more practice pronouncing Dionysus while falling-down drunk now :)

---Mal