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Title: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Removed on June 03, 2009, 11:40:35 am
Since people like to run around the forum attaching labels to themselves, as if they had earned some imaginary respect for their "faith", I wanted to create a thread that exists in exact duality to the "Yes, I am a Christian" thread.


I am a Chaote. That means I am a Chaos Occultist, but I do not restrict myself to the Occult. It's theological more than anything else.

You will be hard pressed to find a better Chaote than me, and I encourage the debate of that subject.

I started out as a Christian, I was Roman Catholic, and I was there while my evil demented grandmother prayed on her rosery so "god" will forgive all the sins that should never be forgiven. I was there as she bled her husband's life dry with lunacy and prudish behavior until he was forced to masturbation, putting sick thoughts into his daughter's mind while she watching him play with himself. I was there to listen to the words of second-rate-intelligence that they thought everybody else but themselves had, by ignoring those they deemed unfit in their "Catholic Schools" that are now all in severe decline along with their matching church or chapel. But none of these things break the law, none of these things are ever frowned upon, and so no lesson is ever learned from them except from the people that they do damage to.

So I've had a lot of time to look around at the world. Some people just keep their eyes glued to what is in front of them but I refuse to live in ignorance and I have no respect for those who accept it, ignorance, as blood. I was once Satanist and I am no longer, but I still subscribe to the cardinal rule of stupidity. Even now thinking of these people is repulsive. It ever reminds me of those others who they subscribe to, the things they believe, and how dearly I would love to literally shoot them directly into the mouth. If only killing weren't against the law, at the very least we would have some population control, and beyond that there would be consequences that do not exist today.


Keep to the shadows because the light is not as friendly as it seems. Black and White are not defined by some fool who died thousands of years ago.



I am Enemy.
I am the the moments previous to complete horror. I am the scream in your head that just keeps on going. I am the created enemy so beautiful and incomparable that none worthy have words to describe. I am the seconds of time that count the day before reality finally hold, and what must be done is known through and through.

But I am not the Darkness. I am the Light, because the Light does not exist.


...Some "christians" were saying this just a couple hundred years after the death of christ, yet they too were ignored... I guarantee you will not have the option of ignoring me unless you are dead or I allow it.


So... Are you an "Evil" Vampire? Come forth!

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(Yes, I am a hedonist.)


Title: Re: Yes, I am an Evil Vampire
Post by: asteria on June 03, 2009, 12:49:46 pm
Your speach interests me. Please tell me more.


Title: Re: Yes, I am an Evil Vampire
Post by: asteria on June 03, 2009, 12:52:41 pm
I am to a point. For protection of my friends only. If someone messes with them I strike.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Removed on June 04, 2009, 12:38:17 pm
I had no intention of going this far into this conversation, But;

My friend Stellar had asked me to explain my pain to her, and the conditions of which it came to be. I refused because there is nothing to be learned from it, but there is some wisdom to be had. Though not what you may expect...

I am a PC Gamer. Less now than I used to be when I was a teenager. When I was a teenager I had a lot more time to waste by ditching class. So I spent a lot of time playing games like UO and while I was there I met a guy my age named Nate. He was playing the game with his um, I think it was his great uncle, who used the name "Ander" in the game. Ironic enough, the guild they belonged to, the one I joined, was called "Criados de Dios"; Warriors of God. My name in the game then was "Dark Hawk" like the comic book.

While I was joining the guild, Nate made an interesting comment about the game that I took into myself and my life. There are 2 types of characters in UO, Red characters and Blue characters. Red characters are "Murderers", they have a murder count from killing Blue characters. Blue characters are charactes who have not murdered anybody.

So, the question is; who does more harm? Red "Murderer" or Blue "Civilian"? You might see a red name pass by, and they might see you, but who do you have to fear more? The "Murderer" has already taken a life, he is already guilty, he already suffers. He is perfectly aware of suffering, and by killing again, and doing more harm he only makes his life more difficult.

And the "Civilian"? The civilian has not taken a life, but probably has in the past. They think they are not guilty, thus they feel as if they were promised or are somehow deserving of what it is they choose to do or places they choose to go. When you see a Blue character, you are far more at risk than with Red "Murderers" because you know what to expect from the Red characters, you are prepared for anything but no amount of preparation will ever prepare you for a blue character coming at you from behind or when you least expect it. In short, the Civvie has absolutely nothing to lose.

I think that holds a lot of relevance in real life.


Are you afraid of Charles Manson? A lot of Goths look up to him, he has a lot of real fans in tattoo shops and other such places. Why do you think that is? This guy has killed people, yet some people trust him more than they do their own family. Why?


Heck, my family bailed my dad out of jail every time he got drunk when I was a kid! And what was I to say about it otherwise? The way we judge people in this world is disgusting. These very same people baptized me behind my mother's back, kidnapped me to go see my drunken alcoholic father in atlanta (where I grew up) and the truth is that I had it good. There are lots of people better off than I was. I know 1 guy that pays his own bills and he's 13, his parents took off a long time ago. His girlfriend's mom helps him out a lot.

 
How many of you thought Anton LaVey had a "Black" soul? And yet he was probably one of the most selfless people you would have ever met, otherwise he would not have written all those books and tried as hard as he did to change the world so much.

And yet Christianity rules over most of our modern Nations today. "One Nation Under God."
Meanwhile, Why do muslims hate us? We say it is foreign policy but the truth is that Christianity has been at war with the Muslim's for hundreds of years and when we bomb somebody's house, that doesn't do very much to rectify the situation. Yet here we are talking about how "God is good". How do you say it? "Allah Wakbah?" It's funny how often I hear white christians saying that while they degrade the culture of their "enemy". They don't even know who their enemy really is.

Quote from: Nietzsche: The Antichrist, Chapter 2

What is good?--Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.
What is evil?--Whatever springs from weakness.
What is happiness?--The feeling that power increases--that resistance is overcome.
Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).
The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.
What is more harmful than any vice?--Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak--Christianity...

Quote from: Nietzsche: The Antichrist, Chapter 15

Under Christianity neither morality nor religion has any point of contact with actuality.

Quote from: Nietzsche: The Antichrist, Chapter 18

The Christian concept of a god--the god as the patron of the sick, the god as a spinner of cobwebs, the god as a spirit--is one of the most corrupt concepts that has ever been set up in the world: it probably touches low-water mark in the ebbing evolution of the god-type. God degenerated into the contradiction of life. Instead of being its transfiguration and eternal Yea! In him war is declared on life, on nature, on the will to live! God becomes the formula for every slander upon the "here and now," and for every lie about the "beyond"! In him nothingness is deified, and the will to nothingness is made holy! . . .

Quote from: Nietzsche: The Antichrist, Chapter 23

Buddhism, I repeat, is a hundred times more austere, more honest, more objective. It no longer has to justify its pains, its susceptibility to suffering, by interpreting these things in terms of sin--it simply says, as it simply thinks, "I suffer." To the barbarian, however, suffering in itself is scarcely understandable: what he needs, first of all, is an explanation as to why he suffers. (His mere instinct prompts him to deny his suffering altogether, or to endure it in silence.) Here the word "devil" was a blessing: man had to have an omnipotent and terrible enemy--there was no need to be ashamed of suffering at the hands of such an enemy.

Quote from: Nietzsche: The Antichrist, Chapter 29

Brought to its logical conclusion, such a physiological habitus becomes an instinctive hatred of all reality, a flight into the "intangible," into the "incomprehensible"; a distaste for all formulae, for all conceptions of time and space, for everything established--customs, institutions, the church--; a feeling of being at home in a world in which no sort of reality survives, a merely "inner" world, a "true" world, an "eternal" world. . . . "The Kingdom of God is withinyou". . . .

Quote from: Nietzsche: The Antichrist, Chapter 30

The instinctive hatred of reality: the consequence of an extreme susceptibility to pain and irritation--so great that merely to be "touched" becomes unendurable, for every sensation is too profound.


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Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: audrianna on June 04, 2009, 02:38:26 pm
ok well everyone knows im from ohio.
so  my mom is relate to Mr. Charles Manson. i have no clue how. i am very gothie. im also a pagan, and i'm a pc gamer too (W.o.W , yes im a nerd!) i dont feel as if Charles Manson did anything good by killing people. but i guess he did not do the killings his family did ( not my mom btw!)


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Eclecta on June 08, 2009, 08:58:20 pm
When I clicked this topic, I automatically thought, "fuck, what now?"

I'm actually a little impressed with the depth of the topic here.  Hmm..

I've done a bit of research on various religions and beliefs because I wanted to know where I fit in.  And to quote something I read online that I found very amusing, .....

"Christianity is the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree..."

Anyway, this just makes so much sense to me.  I realize it's a mockery, but it's how I always felt about xianity.  That being said, I was raised xian, because my parents felt I should know it... It didn't last.  Never made sense to me. 

So, I checked out a variety of other views and ideas out there, and came to the conclusion that I'm actually a ::drum roll, please:: Satanist.  Why?  It sure isn't because I believe in Satan.  That would mean I actually believed in God and chose to side with the adversity.  And that's not it at all. 

It's more like this.  And I'll quote some things and if you can figure out where it comes from I'll send you a half eaten cookie from my desk. 

First off.  "Love is the law, love under will."  Ok.  What does this mean?  I'll tell you what it means to me.  And yes, dearies, this is MY interpretation and I don't give a flying fuck, if you agree or not.  I'm not asking you to become my minion.  Rather, I'm telling you why it strikes a chord in me.  Ok.  Let's say for example that the law is to love, and and you should do so because you want to... what does this mean?  It means you can do anything.  I mean anything!  As long as you do so with loving intentions.  So, does this change the dynamic of the world?  Of course it does.  But what does it mean?  It means, that if you want to do something, let's take something simple for example, like say your dad is an alcoholic.  And you don't want him to get drunk and kick your mom's ass.  So, if you steal his last $10 so that he can't go buy a cheap bottle and get wasted, is this wrong?  Who cares if you use it to buy groceries because he sure as hell wouldn't, or you use it to buy a CD.. That matters not.  What does matter is that you are doing something good.  And you are doing it out of love.  You see my point here?  You love your mom, and you don't want to see her hurt, so you (out of love) take money which is a SIN, damn you to hell! and prevent an act of violence from happening.  Good or bad? 

Here's another one.  "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."  This one is pretty easy too.  Your will.. that means what you want to do... that means it's the law to do what you want.  The law is for you to be happy.  Happiness brings love and vice versa.  So, if you are happy doing what you want and you are doing it out of love, how can it be wrong?  Fuck the technicality.  It's really not a sin.  Quit brainwashing yourselves and grow up.  Think for yourselves.  Why would it be wrong to steal money so that someone doesn't get hurt?  It's not.

Another example.  Your house gets broken into.  You awake in the middle of the night to some crazy guy in there stealing all your shit.  You get up, grab your gun, and go to where he's at.  He turns his gun on you.  Shoot him, or get shot.  What do you do?  Is protecting your home and your family a sin?  Is it wrong to do that?  Or let's say he has your wife, and a gun to her head and he doesn't see you yet.  You have the perfect shot, do you take it?  Is protecting someone you love wrong?  Oh it's just a technicality.  I can do it and be forgiven. Yada yada.  Whatever.  Why have to be forgiven for doing what's right.  Why does it have to be a bad thing if someone dies?  He deserved it right? 

So, am I rambling or does anyone actually see the point I'm trying to make.  You kill or steal money from someone because you are doing it out of love.  After all, "Love is the law, Love under will," right?  Your will is to protect.  So you kill or you steal.  That, my friend is the law.  Now, are you happy someone died, or that you had to steal?  Probably not.  But I bet you are happy that your wife didn't get shot, or your mom didn't get her ass kicked, right?  Interesting.

One more and I'll quit.  "Every man and every woman is a star."  All men and all women are equal.  They are both important.  It doesn't matter based on gender.  You don't get one without the other.  It takes two to reproduce.  So, why would one be more important? 

Words to live by. 

Ok, so what I believe falls under the category of Satanism.  And I'm a vampire.  Geesh am I fucked up or what? :-*


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sfinelli3 on September 17, 2009, 09:28:13 am
My opinion in this topic is that, good, evil, or anything in between, it's your own choice, and it is the choices you make.  Even if you consider yourself good, there is no reason you cannot have an evil moment.  I do not consider myself to be either good nor evil, but I do things as I think they will benefit me best.  I guess if someone was judging me they would say more good, because more times than not I choose the good outcome, but I have my evil times too, and people do not like it when I am on my bad side.  So I guess I'm somewhere in between.

So I'm Merlin, the Neutral Vampire.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: belovedofdeath on September 29, 2009, 01:17:27 pm
I like neutral, like sfinelli3 said.  I would say that fits me as well--I am not strongly aligned with good, nor strongly aligned with evil, should we give a label to two ends of a one-dimensional spectrum.  I guess I could say "chaotic neutral" if we were to get into dnd-talk here. ;)  Sometimes I feel like doing very "evil" things and sometimes I feel like being the pinnacle of purity. >:3

Though, my understanding of Satanism is that they're more hedonistic than necessarily Satanic, so to say.  When you say that you think of these people as "repulsive," Talus, I hope you don't mean the people you met while you a Satanist, since you say at the bottom that you are a hedonist.

Unless I'm wrong in my understanding of Satanism, as affiliated with the Church of Satan laid out by Anton La Vey?


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 01, 2009, 09:08:21 am
Wow, you know your religions.  I do not agree with Satanism, (is that the right word for it?) because in reality there really was no Satan.  Satan was something that the Christians made up to symbolize the sun god of the Pagan traditions, the horned god of the hunt with the goat legs.  Lugh, Lucifer, all of those names are different names of sun gods to various Pagan religions.  All Satan is is a way to say that Pagans are evil.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: belovedofdeath on October 01, 2009, 11:29:02 am
Wow, you know your religions.  I do not agree with Satanism, (is that the right word for it?) because in reality there really was no Satan.  Satan was something that the Christians made up to symbolize the sun god of the Pagan traditions, the horned god of the hunt with the goat legs.  Lugh, Lucifer, all of those names are different names of sun gods to various Pagan religions.  All Satan is is a way to say that Pagans are evil.

As an athiest, I feel that it's my responsibility to have looked into and know about as many religions as I can. :)

I think they chose the name Satanism because it would hit so close to home with Christians.  To my knowledge, they do not worship "Satan" or anything like that.  I would love to be corrected if I am wrong, however. :)

And yes, you're right.  Even things like the fish symbol come from Paganism--they took their gods, made them evil, and then took their holidays and symbols and made them theirs.  Halloween, Christmas, Easter.... when they were trying to win the Pagans over to Christianity, the Pagans would go to their mass, but then still go worship their own gods at home, they viewed Christianity either as something they had to do or as a supplement to their own daily worship.  On the Pagan holidays though, none of them would come--would you rather be sitting on a cold pew or out drinking your ass off?  Yeah, me too.  So they decided to "sanction" these holidays as Christian days of celebration.  Hooray, imagination!

At least, this is all stuff I remember from my research when I was younger and I didn't cross-reference anything to verify stuff, so some of it could be wrong.  Maybe I should go re-study it..... >:3


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sunshine1626 on October 01, 2009, 02:42:44 pm
Wow, you know your religions.  I do not agree with Satanism, (is that the right word for it?) because in reality there really was no Satan.  Satan was something that the Christians made up to symbolize the sun god of the Pagan traditions, the horned god of the hunt with the goat legs.  Lugh, Lucifer, all of those names are different names of sun gods to various Pagan religions.  All Satan is is a way to say that Pagans are evil.
Actually, it's part of the view of certain types of Satanism that Satan, although not 'real', was the integral part of forming the Christian religion and was created as a symbol that attracted pagans and hold Christians, out of fear, to their faith.
Belovedofdeath, there is a few Satanists who worship Satan. I believe they call themselves "Traditional Satanists", as opposed to "LaVeyan Satanists" who use it more as a representation for self worship and rebellion against Christians.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: belovedofdeath on October 01, 2009, 04:50:54 pm
zing! :D


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 02, 2009, 02:34:09 pm
Yes, it is true what you said about the holidays,  Halloween for Samhain (sow-en), also called Hallows, Christmas for Yule.  All these holidays were created at the same time as Pagan holidays to please the Pagans and prevent an uprising.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sunshine1626 on October 02, 2009, 06:16:22 pm
Yes, it is true what you said about the holidays,  Halloween for Samhain (sow-en), also called Hallows, Christmas for Yule.  All these holidays were created at the same time as Pagan holidays to please the Pagans and prevent an uprising.
Halloween has never been suggested to be a Christian holiday though.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: belovedofdeath on October 02, 2009, 08:36:08 pm
Yes, it is true what you said about the holidays,  Halloween for Samhain (sow-en), also called Hallows, Christmas for Yule.  All these holidays were created at the same time as Pagan holidays to please the Pagans and prevent an uprising.
Halloween has never been suggested to be a Christian holiday though.

It's still openly accepted by Christians though.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sunshine1626 on October 02, 2009, 09:56:43 pm
Halloween has never been suggested to be a Christian holiday though.

It's still openly accepted by Christians though.
'Cause Halloween is awesome :D


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: belovedofdeath on October 03, 2009, 02:31:14 am
Halloween has never been suggested to be a Christian holiday though.

It's still openly accepted by Christians though.
'Cause Halloween is awesome :D

yep, i am totally going trick or treating this year too >:3


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sunshine1626 on October 03, 2009, 05:11:34 am
yep, i am totally going trick or treating this year too >:3
Me too. You're never too old for Trick-Or-Treating! I just need to persuade my little sister to go with me... haha. :D


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: belovedofdeath on October 03, 2009, 10:30:59 am
yep, i am totally going trick or treating this year too >:3
Me too. You're never too old for Trick-Or-Treating! I just need to persuade my little sister to go with me... haha. :D

LOL, we're not even doing that, we're relying on our charming good-looks and ageless visages to get us by!! >:3


Title: Yawn.
Post by: paindancer on October 04, 2009, 10:51:23 pm
Its so hard to take posts like this seriously.

Yeah.. our little gothling has done some interesting thinking on various religions, but geez, I have met some many 'evil incarnates' and 'embodiments of Lucifer' I just want to give them a number and tell them to take a seat and wait for their audition.

Yes yes, its very dark and cool to be all angry at the christian faith, but honestly, I have a hard time taking most satanists seriously as.. well.. to be honest, they are validating christianity to begin with by adopting its mythos and simply saying "I want to be the on the bad guy side".  Chances are, our latest evil incarnate here will decide its too  much work to maintain, and mellow out in a few years, might find a nice girl.

But, I will give yall something to twist your noodle around.  This whole fascination with evil thing... tell me.. what, really, is evil?  Sit down and describe a universal evil for me, please.  I mean, if you are evil incarnate, it should be a pretty easy task to define something that is evil across all cultures, all species, alll conception, right?  I'll have a go first:

Lets just throw out any Christian baseline for starters.  Its only fair, since most 'evil' people say christianity is a farce anyway.  So, simply rejecting Christianity dosnt make one evil.

Um.. murdering infants?  Thats pretty nasty,  right?  Certainly there are some very negative social reprocussions to doing such an act.  We are pretty clear on that.  But.. we make exceptions for wartime... and it happens in nature so I cant really say nature is evil.. so.. nasty.. yes.. but qualifying as a true universal evil... nope.

Los Angeles traffic at 5 pm?  Ok.. this might come close to a universal evil.  Im not  sure here.. maybe some people like this sort of thing.  It might be a stretch but its the best I got!

(Please, carry on the discussion, but sometimes, I think we get so caught up in polar thinking, we lose a lot of information in the act.. sorta like watching HDTV on a old black and white television.. just food for thought)


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 05, 2009, 08:59:48 am
Yes, it is true what you said about the holidays,  Halloween for Samhain (sow-en), also called Hallows, Christmas for Yule.  All these holidays were created at the same time as Pagan holidays to please the Pagans and prevent an uprising.
Halloween has never been suggested to be a Christian holiday though.

Maybe, but they recognized it to make us Pagans happy.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: asteria on October 05, 2009, 09:52:53 am
Some don't openly accept it. I have learned that the hard way.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 05, 2009, 09:56:07 am
Yes, me as well. 


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: belovedofdeath on October 05, 2009, 10:36:36 am
o_0

what kind of bible-belt states are you guys from? i've lived in california, ohio, michigan, and arizona, and had family in new york--but we only ever heard of uber christians who gave out bible verses wrapped around chocolate bars--full chocolate bars! (boy did we want to find their houses lol)


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sunshine1626 on October 06, 2009, 02:02:40 am
o_0

what kind of bible-belt states are you guys from? i've lived in california, ohio, michigan, and arizona, and had family in new york--but we only ever heard of uber christians who gave out bible verses wrapped around chocolate bars--full chocolate bars! (boy did we want to find their houses lol)
Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Armstonism(-ists?), and various other groups do not allow the celebration of Halloween. There's also a few that don't allow the celebration of Christmas or Easter either (instead, opting to celebrate the traditional Jewish holidays, or none at all).


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Sfinelli3 on October 07, 2009, 09:18:11 am
Happy Samhain month everybody!  If anyone in Ohio wants to come to a Samhian ritual, just let me know, my family runs a Pagan church out of our house.  So anyone is welcome to come.  For details just ask.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: thaidwen on October 20, 2009, 10:35:48 pm

So, I checked out a variety of other views and ideas out there, and came to the conclusion that I'm actually a ::drum roll, please:: Satanist.  Why?  It sure isn't because I believe in Satan.  That would mean I actually believed in God and chose to side with the adversity.  And that's not it at all. 
It's more like this.  And I'll quote some things and if you can figure out where it comes from I'll send you a half eaten cookie from my desk. 


I would just like to point out, although i realise that I am jumping in very late in conversation...that you should not say you are a Satanist and that putting yourself in the same category with the Church of Satan does not mean you have to believe in Satan. Satanism is the belief in Satan and in God, that the two held different views of creation, and that you agree with Satans views.

You were correct in saying that your beliefs fall under this category, but that is all. It would be like saying you are a Christian and that you do not believe in Jesus Christ. I like your approach to the laws, though - that you have a very strong understanding of what you believe and its parralels to the religion itseld.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Maloryn on October 21, 2009, 09:32:12 am
Actually, no.
Relatively few satanists actually believe in satan. They use the term to proclaim their opposition to normal xian viewpoints.

As to your other example, many xians would have termed the "real xians" of antiquity (jc's followers while he was alive) as fakes because they didn't believe in his divinity. Likewise the Romans who coined the term to refer to the followers of jc would find the current viewpoint of jc as this perfect deific figure downright laughable. Its a slippery slope telling someone that they can't call themselves something because of your opinion. Words change over time and people as well as organizations incorporate metaphors.

This point is especially ironic given that you're on a vampire board :)

---Mal
btw, thaidwen, what kind of satanist are you?


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: asteria on October 21, 2009, 09:51:48 am
Happy Samhain month everybody!  If anyone in Ohio wants to come to a Samhian ritual, just let me know, my family runs a Pagan church out of our house.  So anyone is welcome to come.  For details just ask.

Me and a bunch of people around where I live are throwing one too so anyone in new york let me know.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: belovedofdeath on October 21, 2009, 11:35:26 am
Actually, no.
Relatively few satanists actually believe in satan. They use the term to proclaim their opposition to normal xian viewpoints.

As to your other example, many xians would have termed the "real xians" of antiquity (jc's followers while he was alive) as fakes because they didn't believe in his divinity. Likewise the Romans who coined the term to refer to the followers of jc would find the current viewpoint of jc as this perfect deific figure downright laughable. Its a slippery slope telling someone that they can't call themselves something because of your opinion. Words change over time and people as well as organizations incorporate metaphors.

This point is especially ironic given that you're on a vampire board :)

---Mal
btw, thaidwen, what kind of satanist are you?

QFT, as it's (almost) exactly what I was going to say.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: Removed on November 19, 2009, 10:49:04 am
Actually, no.
Relatively few satanists actually believe in satan. They use the term to proclaim their opposition to normal xian viewpoints.

As to your other example, many xians would have termed the "real xians" of antiquity (jc's followers while he was alive) as fakes because they didn't believe in his divinity. Likewise the Romans who coined the term to refer to the followers of jc would find the current viewpoint of jc as this perfect deific figure downright laughable. Its a slippery slope telling someone that they can't call themselves something because of your opinion. Words change over time and people as well as organizations incorporate metaphors.

This point is especially ironic given that you're on a vampire board :)

---Mal
btw, thaidwen, what kind of satanist are you?


Hmmm... I think I'm going to follow beloved and keep my mouth shut. Thanks for speaking up Maly-kins.  :-*


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: RKCoon on July 24, 2010, 01:21:14 am
Very interesting topic, actually, Removed. I, er, dabble a bit in Chaos myself, and I would like to hear more, if you'd care to share. Personally, I don't consider Chaos in and of itself to be good OR evil, or neutral exactly, but rather, Chaos can be whatever the person partaking in and of it guides it to be - someone wants to cause great evil by causing Chaos, that's certainly possible, but sometimes Chaos can cause a lot of good too. To me, Chaos simply exists, its up to the person that contacts it to decide what happens - or, as is owing to its nature, something simply random as well.


Title: Re: Yawn.
Post by: Taris on July 25, 2010, 05:51:12 pm
Its so hard to take posts like this seriously.

Yeah.. our little gothling has done some interesting thinking on various religions, but geez, I have met some many 'evil incarnates' and 'embodiments of Lucifer' I just want to give them a number and tell them to take a seat and wait for their audition.

Yes yes, its very dark and cool to be all angry at the christian faith, but honestly, I have a hard time taking most satanists seriously as.. well.. to be honest, they are validating christianity to begin with by adopting its mythos and simply saying "I want to be the on the bad guy side".  Chances are, our latest evil incarnate here will decide its too  much work to maintain, and mellow out in a few years, might find a nice girl.

But, I will give yall something to twist your noodle around.  This whole fascination with evil thing... tell me.. what, really, is evil?  Sit down and describe a universal evil for me, please.  I mean, if you are evil incarnate, it should be a pretty easy task to define something that is evil across all cultures, all species, alll conception, right?  I'll have a go first:

Lets just throw out any Christian baseline for starters.  Its only fair, since most 'evil' people say christianity is a farce anyway.  So, simply rejecting Christianity dosnt make one evil.

Um.. murdering infants?  Thats pretty nasty,  right?  Certainly there are some very negative social reprocussions to doing such an act.  We are pretty clear on that.  But.. we make exceptions for wartime... and it happens in nature so I cant really say nature is evil.. so.. nasty.. yes.. but qualifying as a true universal evil... nope.

Los Angeles traffic at 5 pm?  Ok.. this might come close to a universal evil.  Im not  sure here.. maybe some people like this sort of thing.  It might be a stretch but its the best I got!

(Please, carry on the discussion, but sometimes, I think we get so caught up in polar thinking, we lose a lot of information in the act.. sorta like watching HDTV on a old black and white television.. just food for thought)

Hmm, Ive noticed you make some good points in alot of the posts I have seen thus far.

On the topic of good and evil I would have to say it is all based on perception. If anyone has read any of my prior posts some of them are bent on perception. I feel that perception be it societies, groups, nations, or the individual make up what we see as good, evil, normal, abnormal, unnatural, and natural. We focus on these things and the perceptions of society because we live it daily. In the states you are like to say that the store owner cutting off the hand of a thief would be evil or abnormal and yet in the middle east a thief suffers that as payment for his "crimes". It is how our societies and the persons within it perceive everything that gives us our supposed morality and decency. To one killing the person you find raping a family member would seem evil yet to me I find it just. Coming across a mugger in a street and beating them senseless and taking from them as they would have from you may seem an equal crime yet to me it is a warning to others who may try that they will be left with less than what they have come. But luckily for me I fell far from the perceptions of society and have come across my own.  ;)


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: paindancer on July 31, 2010, 02:14:28 pm
Very interesting topic, actually, Removed. I, er, dabble a bit in Chaos myself, and I would like to hear more, if you'd care to share. Personally, I don't consider Chaos in and of itself to be good OR evil, or neutral exactly, but rather, Chaos can be whatever the person partaking in and of it guides it to be - someone wants to cause great evil by causing Chaos, that's certainly possible, but sometimes Chaos can cause a lot of good too. To me, Chaos simply exists, its up to the person that contacts it to decide what happens - or, as is owing to its nature, something simply random as well.

'removed' went by a different name, just as a fyi.  He had his insights, but also seemed to have a problem maintaining functionality.  He went fairly hostile for a bit, and either had himself removed or was booted.  Not sure.  Kinda miss his perspective at times.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: RKCoon on July 31, 2010, 08:56:21 pm
Yea, mert told me that, an hour after i posted. O well, such as it is.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: paindancer on August 02, 2010, 01:04:10 pm
Indeed.

I would be happy to discuss my own perspective on chaos if you like.  Its only perspective, but you are welcome to chat on the topic if you like.  Start up a thread.


Title: Re: Yes, I Am An Evil Vampire
Post by: masticina on August 04, 2010, 08:53:48 am
Mmm I will take this question as it comes. Am I an evil vampire
Evil can be both objective and subjective. Evil is defined by our society after all hence inherent subjective at most we can agree that MOST of us find certain behavior negative to the survival of our society. For instance stealing could be considered evil..but if one has to steal to eat enough to survive then it can be the society that is evil. It is a matter of subjective reality

The prime factor in defining what is evil would be Intent. I think it might sound geeking out but in mythology and modern mythology [think Lord of the Rings] there sometimes are those who desire to do good but the methods inherent causes destruction.

Really the only ones who would perceive me as Evil Vampire are those who judge, those who never dared to step outside of the lines. Those who belief they do good while doing evil them self.. Those who work for the white cleansing hand of death and decay in the name of "good and holy"